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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by Russ59:
It was a brilliant managerial move to insert that pinch runner for the tired catcher (McCann?). That allowed the fresh, pinch runner to score on a close throw to home.

I watched the entire game and I'm neither a big baseball fan nor fan of either team.

Go Stros!

Catchers are not generally the fastest guys on the team, tired or not.

I wonder what he would have done if the game had continued. The back up catcher was the DH, and IIRC, can’t be moved to position player.

I once heard Joe Simpson announcing a Braves game when McCann was a Brave. Referring to McCann's "speed", he said "He couldn't run out of sight in two days". One of the funniest things I heard.

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pbslinger...there were runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs. Therefore with ANY sound of the ball on the bat, they would be off and running and the likelihood of getting a force out at 2nd or 3rd was practically zero. holdem is correct...first base was occupied so the runner on 1st HAD to advance. Since the play at that point is to home plate, that's where the throw went from the outfield resulting in a safe play and the runner on 1st advancing to 3rd and Bregman going to 2nd. As soon as the play at the plate was safe, though, the game is over and it's a mute point where the runners wound up, hence Bregman just kept running.

BTW, TXJIM.....GOOD ON YA!!!! Man...that's a GREAT dad right there!!!

My baseball brain farted. He needs to get to second before any potential throw, but he rounded second maybe when he should have stayed. Rounding risked a put out if they'd have played him instead of at home. Does it matter if first is occupied if the hitter never arrives as in doesn't run to first? Maybe the batter and the guy on first shouldn't have run since they were insignificant as far as scoring.

If the runner on 1st doesn't make it to 2nd base he could be forced out before the winning run crosses the plate. The fastest way to 2nd is at full speed rounding the bag headed toward 3rd. If he has to run to 2nd base he might as well round the bag and get into the play visually, between the outfielder with the ball and home plate. Any attempt to back pick this runner after he rounds 2nd would virtually guarantee the winning run to score. It was solid base running all the way around by both runners.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
pbslinger...there were runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs. Therefore with ANY sound of the ball on the bat, they would be off and running and the likelihood of getting a force out at 2nd or 3rd was practically zero. holdem is correct...first base was occupied so the runner on 1st HAD to advance. Since the play at that point is to home plate, that's where the throw went from the outfield resulting in a safe play and the runner on 1st advancing to 3rd and Bregman going to 2nd. As soon as the play at the plate was safe, though, the game is over and it's a mute point where the runners wound up, hence Bregman just kept running.

BTW, TXJIM.....GOOD ON YA!!!! Man...that's a GREAT dad right there!!!

My baseball brain farted. He needs to get to second before any potential throw, but he rounded second maybe when he should have stayed. Rounding risked a put out if they'd have played him instead of at home. Does it matter if first is occupied if the hitter never arrives as in doesn't run to first? Maybe the batter and the guy on first shouldn't have run since they were insignificant as far as scoring.

If the runner on 1st doesn't make it to 2nd base he could be forced out before the winning run crosses the plate. The fastest way to 2nd is at full speed rounding the bag headed toward 3rd. If he has to run to 2nd base he might as well round the bag and get into the play visually, between the outfielder with the ball and home plate. Any attempt to back pick this runner after he rounds 2nd would virtually guarantee the winning run to score. It was solid base running all the way around by both runners.

I watched the highlight of the walk off hit again, and the runner who was on first was at 3rd base when the winning run scored. I don't think they could have made a play on him, but I think it was dumb to for him to not stop at 2nd. Minimal risk of getting him out but maybe a better chance than getting an out at home if they'd have tried.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
pbslinger...there were runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs. Therefore with ANY sound of the ball on the bat, they would be off and running and the likelihood of getting a force out at 2nd or 3rd was practically zero. holdem is correct...first base was occupied so the runner on 1st HAD to advance. Since the play at that point is to home plate, that's where the throw went from the outfield resulting in a safe play and the runner on 1st advancing to 3rd and Bregman going to 2nd. As soon as the play at the plate was safe, though, the game is over and it's a mute point where the runners wound up, hence Bregman just kept running.

BTW, TXJIM.....GOOD ON YA!!!! Man...that's a GREAT dad right there!!!

My baseball brain farted. He needs to get to second before any potential throw, but he rounded second maybe when he should have stayed. Rounding risked a put out if they'd have played him instead of at home. Does it matter if first is occupied if the hitter never arrives as in doesn't run to first? Maybe the batter and the guy on first shouldn't have run since they were insignificant as far as scoring.

If the runner on 1st doesn't make it to 2nd base he could be forced out before the winning run crosses the plate. The fastest way to 2nd is at full speed rounding the bag headed toward 3rd. If he has to run to 2nd base he might as well round the bag and get into the play visually, between the outfielder with the ball and home plate. Any attempt to back pick this runner after he rounds 2nd would virtually guarantee the winning run to score. It was solid base running all the way around by both runners.

I watched the highlight of the walk off hit again, and the runner who was on first was at 3rd base when the winning run scored. I don't think they could have made a play on him, but I think it was dumb to for him to not stop at 2nd. Minimal risk of getting him out but maybe a better chance than getting an out at home if they'd have tried.

Watch it again, he rounds 2nd and pulls up to a trot between 2nd and 3rd as the outfielder is coming up to throw. He was making no effort to get to 3rd and only ended up there as he finished out the trot. In fact, when the outfielder releases the ball the runner is almost directly between the outfielder and his target at home which I assure you was not a coincidence. Look at the runners head, he is looking right at the fielder as he scoops the ball. If that players shoulders square to 3rd base to make a throw there the runner just stops and the winning run walks home.

https://youtu.be/moj7wc8yjEM

great series against two really fun teams. hard to believe you kershaw out there and end up scoring 13.

gonna be interesting to see if the bullpen arms are just shot for games 6 and maybe 7.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by Russ59:
It was a brilliant managerial move to insert that pinch runner for the tired catcher (McCann?). That allowed the fresh, pinch runner to score on a close throw to home.

I watched the entire game and I'm neither a big baseball fan nor fan of either team.

Go Stros!

Catchers are not generally the fastest guys on the team, tired or not.

I wonder what he would have done if the game had continued. The back up catcher was the DH, and IIRC, can’t be moved to position player.

I agree, I don't know that is was McCann was tired as much as he is older at 34, heavier, and a guy not built for speed.

These two teams are putting on a great show. They have talent and heart.
I'm looking forward to celebrating another BIG HOUSTON VICTORY!!!

The DH can become a position player mid game but then some other player has to bat, usually the pitcher. So they wouldn't have been completely screwed if they hadn't scored the walk off hit.

Jansen being touched 2x in 3 days is curious. He's usually pretty automatic

I still am rooting for the Astros though

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The DH can become a position player mid game but then some other player has to bat, usually the pitcher. So they wouldn't have been completely screwed if they hadn't scored the walk off hit.

Jansen being touched 2x in 3 days is curious. He's usually pretty automatic

I still am rooting for the Astros though

I was intrigued so I looked it up. If the DH is put in playing defense, the pitcher bats in the DH’s spot in the line up and the team cannot use a DH the rest of the game.

Its funny how being somewhat un-invested in the series (a disgruntled Indian's fan here) changes one's view. The game last night was exciting, and I continue to root for the Stro's. 'However' had the Astro's bullpen not been so damn bad (Devenski in particular in the 9th), the game would have been done in nine. Of course, Dave Roberts over use of Brandon Morrow was beyond asinine as well. The biggest story to me continues to be the yet to be announced AL MVP, who was repeatedly told when coming up that he would never play in the show because he was just too small. He's shown he plays bigger than just about anyone in MLB.

Verlander's up next, and he's been nothing short of terrific in the series. Let's hope he's good again, goes very deep into game six, and the Astro's bats continue to deliver, because I don't know if I can make it through another full dose of Houston's bullpen.

Got to be excited for the 'stros.
Hope I didn't just jinx them.

The Astros need a great performance out of Verlander. They certainly can't count on the relievers, and while the offense is very good, you can't rely on 12 runs in every game.

If Verlander gives them six or seven good innings (the more the better) and the bats are even decent, the Astros can win it tonight.

As long as McCann blocks those pitches like he does and rips those shots to right field, he's my catcher every day. The young guy the Yankees ditched him for, folded on every close play at the plate in their series.