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| The Main Thing Is Not To Get Excited  |
Against. I agree that going East is a hassle, no question. But my rational mind sees the consequence of giving this level play to the feds, it will very soon become a hassle to go west as well. Look at the discussion on this forum; in the past we have had heated discussion from members that say it is 'wrong' not to require training for a carry permit, while others, including me, say look at the facts, WA licencees have no more silly situations than any other state and we require no training. That's just one example is all, but putting the right to carry in the hands of a fickle, feckless federal government is a first step onto a short pier. those characters need to be controlled not enabled. _______________________ | |||
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There are differences between limits on rights, and an outright denying the right. In some parts of the country, D.C. and NJ for example, the possession of a plain lead ball or spent brass is construed as being armed, and will get you prosecuted. Getting three years in prison for a piece of spent brass is hardly on par with anti-slander laws, which, incidentally, one must persue civilly. The authorities don’t file criminal cases and use the full force of the government because somebody overstepped their 1A rights. Being that the RKBA is denied absolutely in some states, not simply limited and regulated, it seems fitting for Congress to step in and enforced the Constitution’s provisions. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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Striker in waiting |
Anyone else listening on C-Span? Alcee Hastings cracks me up. Where can I get an "AK-47 multiple firing gun"? Sounds like a blast. -Rob I predict that there will be many suggestions and statements about the law made here, and some of them will be spectacularly wrong. - jhe888 A=A | |||
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| It's not you, it's me.  |
What time is the vote today? | |||
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E tan e epi tas |
Around 145 they are saying. Let me summarize the discussion. Democrat - blah blah RACE TO BOTTOM Republican- blah blah COMMON SENSE Rinse/Repeat "Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man." | |||
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I am conflicted about this. I fear having congress involved with CC, but I live in Michigan and have kids in New Jersey. When I visit, I am unprotected in Mich, Ohio, Pa, and NJ.because I must leave my gun at home. SUCKS! Rod "Do not approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction." John Deacon, Author I asked myself if I was crazy, and we all said no. | |||
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Against. I continue to believe very strongly that if something like this can be abused, it will be. It's just a matter of time. And we're rarely, if ever, better off surrendering control of some element of our life - no matter how small or insignificant - to the federal government. And this particular issue is not insignificant. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "And it's time that particularly, some of our corporations learned, that when you get in bed with government, you're going to get more than a good night's sleep." - Ronald Reagan | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
It's (2A) already being abused by state and local governments, law abiding citizens cannot traverse freely through NY or NJ without fear of imprisonment when transporting a firearm, much less carry of that firearm. Each state should be able to set its own rules and laws, just as they do for a drivers license now, hours of instruction, age, where and how, speed limits on state and local roads, all are subject to state laws, however they cannot prohibit a non state resident from driving through their state, in so far as they are in concert with the laws of that state. Right now you can't even try and be in compliance in NY if you are not a NY citizen, and that is one thing this bill would address forcing states to create regulations that can be followed allowing people to carry through all states. I'm sure NY will make it next to impossible to comply, and we'll end up with a 2A lawsuit however this would give us the platform to legally force NY to adopt laws that do not restrict lawful carry. I agree that politicians are not to be trusted, right now we have 50 states full of local politicians that refuse to agree, and in doing so place many of us at risk for becoming a felon simply by crossing a state line. Fixing the reciprocity issue doesn't mean we're in for having to restrict everyone to the rules of the worst state. | |||
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Against. Any gun legislation that Feinstein and Schumer have their hands in will NOT be good for us. I have an AZCCPermit for traveling and I don't want the above bozo's screwing with that. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
For. If there's a law, then there's access to the courts regardless of what some politician tries to do down the road. | |||
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Green Mountain Boy |
I am against it. Let the free states continue to pass constitutional carry. As for the hostile states, they will remain hostile no matter what the law says. !~God Bless the U.S. Military~! If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off Light travels faster than sound, this is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
Interesting enough if you take the time to watch cSpan discussions the members from left wing oppressive regulation states, MA, NY, CA etc all use the same argument against the bill as those here who are against it, that it's a states rights issue. Guys here don't want to be potentially subjected to changed in laws to accomodate the rules of the more oppressive gun law states The legislators believe it will force their states to be subject to less stringent laws of other states and don't want to open up gun carry to people that haven't been subject to there "may carry" rules.. Exact same type of argument from the viewpoint of who is oppressing whom.... | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
Is that like those guns that were two 1911 slides welded together on one frame? The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
Fixing the reciprocity will mean that while you will have a permit in every state, you will still have to comply with the peculiar laws of whatever state you are in. They vary wildly, which olaces are forbidden, effect of signs, open/concealed, and these can be quite complicated. Carrying past a 51% sign here means big trouble, whether you know to look or not. It is like some states allow right turns on red after full stop but failure to signal is a felony, etc. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| It's not you, it's me. |
Passed the House. | |||
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| Writer by profession, smartass by the grace of God. |
Very good news. (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
I don't ever see it getting 60 in the senate. If it does you can bet it will be with SERIOUSLY detrimental markups from the dems placing vast restrictions on it. So it won't pass. | |||
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Baroque Bloke |
If reciprocity passes, it'll be interesting. CC license are easily obtainable in some CA counties, but not in San Diego county. So when hordes of Arizona residents come to San Diego for the summer, they'll be able to carry, while San Diego residents cannot. Serious about crackers | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Sure, but what if San Diegans get Utah permits? | |||
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| Move Up or Move Over |
I'm against. I don't need 1 single more federal or state law in my life. I solve the problem of not being able to carry in certain states by not going there. Mark | |||
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