Second Hornet Lost off the Truman

May 07, 2025, 08:52 PM

captain127

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Originally posted by Loswsmith:
Everyone wants to have a person to point at and say "if it weren't for YOU this wouldn't have happened!" But with this sort of thing, there is generally not any way to do that. Fighters getting lost of carriers have been a part of carrier ops from day one in the 1920s to today. Planes break, waves move the ship, wind moves the plane, parts don't work right, parts break, pilots misjudge, deck hands foul up, etc. and is many different combinations in an operation where milliseconds matter. The key is, if you want planes going off carriers, sometimes you are going to lose a plane. And oftentimes you lose pilots. People die in accidents on carriers all the time. Want that to stop? Park the carriers. Otherwise do the absolute best you can with what you have and make sure that when the pilots go off the carrier its for a good reason.

100% I was a ground pounder, but with all the variables involved in carrier operations ( might be the most dangerous and unpredictable things our military does regularly from what I can tell)
I am surprised it doesn’t happen more, which is a credit to our sailors

May 07, 2025, 09:31 PM

Rey HRH

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
But here's the thing. that landing strip is angled out. As they're about to land, I think they're suppose to power up, they have two wires for two chances to catch, and if they fail to hook up, they're suppose to take off again.

If there was an emergency, they have nets to stretch out to catch the plane.

Stuff happens, people aren't perfect, and stuff breaks. From what I've read and heard from carrier pilots, night landings on a carrier are a white knuckle affair even when everything goes right.

I'm not saying there's nobody to blame, and I'm sure there will be a thorough investigation. But I'm less inclined to scream "incompetence" or "negligence" and break out the tar and feathers for something like this than I would be for the other two incidents.

I’m not looking for someone to blame. I was responding to “routine/forgivable” comment. While I was in the nuclear power plant, it was on an aircraft carrier. Those things were designed to address all the possible things that can go wrong resulting in the things that I mentioned which I’m aware of. And when things like these happen, the people who pay really aren’t the ones directly involved especially if they didn’t break any rules. What happens is the investigate it, come up with a program that adds more safeguards to prevent what happened in the future and everyone has to train and implement the new program.

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May 07, 2025, 09:32 PM

sjtill

Idiots on Twitter/X are blaming TRUMP for the planes lost—comparing the imputed cost with the cost of Biden’s disastrous Gaza death pier in a WHATABOUTTRUMP move. I can only spend so much time on X before my blood pressure starts to rise. Mind you, I’m grateful to Musk for making it a free speech platform. But do the Leftists have to keep providing themselves idiots over and over? Apparently.

May 11, 2025, 11:24 AM

Johnny 3eagles

May 12, 2025, 12:57 AM

corsair

The arresting cable snapped or the plane's hook snapped. Usually at that point, it's a matter of how much speed the plane has remaining will determine if it can get back to full military-power and get airborne again.

Mooch explains the issues

As for recovering the crashed aircraft, they can be salvaged and raised, just depends on depth of its remains.