https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...iiji?ocid=TobArticle

this is starting to look like a regular occurrence for the Truman - a second jet overboard

glad I'm not the CO of that ship...

It’s unfortunate but shit happens even to the most powerful and dialed in military force on the planet. I’m just happy no personnel were lost in either incident.

When I was in the Navy usually the guy at the bottom of the Totem Pole that got the blame.

Who recovers these from the ocean's depths?

USA? China? Russia? Iran? Atlantis?

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A second F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter jet has been lost in the Red Sea from USS Harry S. Truman, CNN reports on Tuesday.

When my buddy who built them retired I asked him if he could bring one home on his last day. He got a big grin on his face...
See, they wouldn't have missed it anyway. Just tell the Navy it was dropped in the sea.

This was a landing accident - didn’t catch the wire and the crew punched out.

No tugs were lost.

I wonder if there was some other unreported issue that led to the failed go around.

2nd loss in a week, third loss on this deployment. Recall we shot one our own down a few months ago.

Who gets held responsible for losing $60MM planes x3. Asking for a tax payer.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
This was a landing accident - didn’t catch the wire and the crew punched out.

Yep. Somehow a landing accident seems more routine/forgiveable than shooting down one of our own, or accidentally launching one out of the hangar bay !

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The first incident occurred last week, as the Navy confirmed in a statement that all personnel are accounted for after crew onboard lost control of the aircraft in the hangar bay and then it subsequently went into the sea.

Can you imagine being part of that maintenance crew, and trying to figure out who's gonna go tell the boss?

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Who recovers these from the ocean's depths?

USA? China? Russia? Iran? Atlantis?

Typically the ocean is way too deep where this occurs for anyone to recover it.

The navy needs a total revamp.

Unfortunately, aircraft accidents are a part of carrier flight operations. One can make the case that this is the most dangerous form of aviation. Back 70s, during my carrier tour, we were told we couldn't fly the F8s at night every time the Pacific Fleet aircraft accident rate started to edge up.

Accidents may happen but there are too many known examples of incompetence leading to disaster in the Navy of late to think it is just a fluke.

Also, my observation is the military doesn't consider safety and doesn't consistently follow safe procedures as much as it should.

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Originally posted by Imabmwnut:
When I was in the Navy usually the guy at the bottom of the Totem Pole that got the blame.

And the person at the top.

Been going on as long as we've had planes and carriers.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Who recovers these from the ocean's depths?

USA? China? Russia? Iran? Atlantis?

Typically the ocean is way too deep where this occurs for anyone to recover it.

The navy needs a total revamp.

I'm guessing we could do it if needed, like when we lost an F-35. For a 4th gen we probably won't bother as there's much less tech for our adversaries to exploit from recovering one.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Who recovers these from the ocean's depths?

USA? China? Russia? Iran? Atlantis?

Typically the ocean is way too deep where this occurs for anyone to recover it.

The navy needs a total revamp.

Yep. They just let it sink. They usually send an escort ship to be around as it sinks to make sure no foreign navy tries to salvage anything out of it.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
This was a landing accident - didn’t catch the wire and the crew punched out.

Yep. Somehow a landing accident seems more routine/forgiveable than shooting down one of our own, or accidentally launching one out of the hangar bay !

But here's the thing. that landing strip is angled out. As they're about to land, I think they're suppose to power up, they have two wires for two chances to catch, and if they fail to hook up, they're suppose to take off again.

If there was an emergency, they have nets to stretch out to catch the plane.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
But here's the thing. that landing strip is angled out. As they're about to land, I think they're suppose to power up, they have two wires for two chances to catch, and if they fail to hook up, they're suppose to take off again.

If there was an emergency, they have nets to stretch out to catch the plane.

Stuff happens, people aren't perfect, and stuff breaks. From what I've read and heard from carrier pilots, night landings on a carrier are a white knuckle affair even when everything goes right.

I'm not saying there's nobody to blame, and I'm sure there will be a thorough investigation. But I'm less inclined to scream "incompetence" or "negligence" and break out the tar and feathers for something like this than I would be for the other two incidents.

Everyone wants to have a person to point at and say "if it weren't for YOU this wouldn't have happened!" But with this sort of thing, there is generally not any way to do that. Fighters getting lost of carriers have been a part of carrier ops from day one in the 1920s to today. Planes break, waves move the ship, wind moves the plane, parts don't work right, parts break, pilots misjudge, deck hands foul up, etc. and is many different combinations in an operation where milliseconds matter. The key is, if you want planes going off carriers, sometimes you are going to lose a plane. And oftentimes you lose pilots. People die in accidents on carriers all the time. Want that to stop? Park the carriers. Otherwise do the absolute best you can with what you have and make sure that when the pilots go off the carrier its for a good reason.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Who recovers these from the ocean's depths?

Maybe we can use the Glomar Explorer?

Unfortunate but not uncommon considering it's during combat maneuvers.
The North Atlantic in the winter around the Artic Circle is non stop crazy, got a Blue Nose certificate from that.
More than a couple planes got craned off when we got back to port, didn't lose any though.
An E-2 slid into another and chopped the wing off about 30 yards from me in the middle of the night, pieces of prop and wing everywhere.
That was exciting..

Lost two during Desert Storm, F18 never made it back and an A-6 lost hydraulics, lost the wire and they ejected on deck, bird hung up in the net and wound up being pushed over the side, bombs and all.