Seven US Sailors are missing after a US Navy destroyer collided with a 21,000 ton cargo ship 56 miles off the coast of Japan.
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
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Originally posted by f2: Vice speculating. Hold your horses. This isn't russia. Is this russia?
You watch too much TV.
I haven't watch tv in more than a year.
June 19, 2017, 02:58 PM
f2
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Originally posted by sdy:
DDG 62 starboard side before damage
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June 19, 2017, 02:58 PM
RHINOWSO
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Originally posted by f2:
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
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Originally posted by f2: Vice speculating. Hold your horses. This isn't russia. Is this russia?
You watch too much TV.
I haven't watch tv in more than a year.
My latest theory. Not ISIS, not Russians...
June 19, 2017, 02:59 PM
f2
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
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Originally posted by f2:
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
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Originally posted by f2: Vice speculating. Hold your horses. This isn't russia. Is this russia?
You watch too much TV.
I haven't watch tv in more than a year.
My latest theory. Not ISIS, not Russians...
yup, that's the wardroom - clicking away with their thumbs on smart phones while sporting the iphone hunch. you realize that this was the FITZGERALD's wardrooms fuck up, right?
June 19, 2017, 03:02 PM
RHINOWSO
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Originally posted by f2: yup, that's the wardroom - clicking away with their thumbs on smart phones while sporting the iphone hunch. you realize that this was the FITZGERALD's wardrooms fuck up, right?
If you look at what I posted, its pretty clear where I believe the fault will land. Top to bottom on the Fitz crew.
Of course from the top down, that is the way it works.
The only question was it systemic command issues or simply a few bad apples, inattention, etc that made all the holes line up.
June 19, 2017, 03:19 PM
Balzé Halzé
The only speculating going on right now is the how and the why and of course the who (to blame). We simply don't have all the info to go beyond our assumptions here.
There is no speculation about the when. The when is as clear as day. There's no "fuzz" about that, as Comey would say.
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June 19, 2017, 03:21 PM
sdy
A minor point, but one that confused me for a while
The Marine Traffic plot at 130am appears to indicate an abrupt 90 deg starboard turn.
It is a turn to starboard, but not quite that dramatic.
The Crystal tracking symbol just before 130am is at time 127am.
127am course 68 deg / 18 kts
130am course 112 deg
So before the apparent "90 deg" turn even starts, Crystal has turned 44 deg
The visual discrepancy is because the data points aren't continuous
The point after 130am is at 133am where speed has dropped to 11 kts and course is 118 deg
The symbols themselves are aligned to show the heading
(yes this is jib jab, but cut me a break)
June 19, 2017, 03:21 PM
Hobbs
I salute the outstanding efforts of the damage control team and crew in fighting the ship and making way to port. BZ, well done.
Lives lost, disrupted, careers lost and for some at the end of the day, will be a career enhancer, families forever changed, friends gone. Mother nature and laws of physics don't give a damn about me nor you.
Could be aliens ... could be Fitzgerald isn't a very good name for a ship.
June 19, 2017, 03:30 PM
f2
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
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Originally posted by f2: yup, that's the wardroom - clicking away with their thumbs on smart phones while sporting the iphone hunch. you realize that this was the FITZGERALD's wardrooms fuck up, right?
If you look at what I posted, its pretty clear where I believe the fault will land. Top to bottom on the Fitz' bridge / navigation and cic team.
FIFY
no one should have to die on a routine return to homeport from a P.I. bennie cruise.
June 19, 2017, 03:38 PM
Jus228
War is bad enough but to lose people in this way is just sickening no matter the cause. If it was negligence then those people will have to live with it. Sad all around.
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June 19, 2017, 03:54 PM
f2
June 19, 2017, 03:58 PM
RHINOWSO
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Originally posted by f2:
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
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Originally posted by f2: yup, that's the wardroom - clicking away with their thumbs on smart phones while sporting the iphone hunch. you realize that this was the FITZGERALD's wardrooms fuck up, right?
If you look at what I posted, its pretty clear where I believe the fault will land. Top to bottom on the Fitz' bridge / navigation and cic team.
FIFY
no one should have to die on a routine return to homeport from a P.I. bennie cruise.
Thanks for the clarification of the obvious, on all fronts.
There will likely be plenty of blame all around, but welcome to the thread.
June 19, 2017, 04:04 PM
Pipe Smoker
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Originally posted by sdy:
DDG 62 starboard side before damage
most of the collision damage is in the middle third of this pic <snip>
And phased array radar antennas right over the damaged region. Hard to understand how the destroyer crew failed to recognize the impending collision, and take evasive action.
Serious about crackers.
June 19, 2017, 04:24 PM
f2
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sdy's Hong Kong pic bothers me. In the after pic, there's no sign of the yellow, green (?) and red E awards, seen above on the starboard bridge wing (green and red with one hash mark). Was FITZGERALD stripped of them? I looked up other old pics of her starboard side, and they (proudly) display them in each one.
June 19, 2017, 04:34 PM
Ronin1069
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sdy's Hong Kong pic bothers me. In the after pic, there's no sign of the yellow, green (?) and red E awards, seen above on the starboard bridge wing (green and red with one hash mark). Was FITZGERALD stripped of them? I looked up other old pics of her starboard side, and they (proudly) display them in each one.
Agree, I was looking for the same thing. Also, there are ladders shown on the bottom pic that are not shown in the top.
I have to wonder if the top pic is a similar boat, but not the one actually damaged.
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June 19, 2017, 04:34 PM
LS1 GTO
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
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Originally posted by f2: yup, that's the wardroom - clicking away with their thumbs on smart phones while sporting the iphone hunch. you realize that this was the FITZGERALD's wardrooms fuck up, right?
If you look at what I posted, its pretty clear where I believe the fault will land. Top to bottom on the Fitz crew.
Of course from the top down, that is the way it works.
The only question was it systemic command issues or simply a few bad apples, inattention, etc that made all the holes line up.
Was the crew manning the bridge untrained (no paper work), not trained correctly, or was the training gun decked?
With absolute authority come absolute responsibility. The CO's career is toast unless a terroristic type mutiny occurred.
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June 19, 2017, 04:39 PM
JALLEN
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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
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Originally posted by f2: yup, that's the wardroom - clicking away with their thumbs on smart phones while sporting the iphone hunch. you realize that this was the FITZGERALD's wardrooms fuck up, right?
If you look at what I posted, its pretty clear where I believe the fault will land. Top to bottom on the Fitz crew.
Of course from the top down, that is the way it works.
The only question was it systemic command issues or simply a few bad apples, inattention, etc that made all the holes line up.
Was the crew manning the bridge untrained (no paper work), not trained correctly, or was the training gun decked?
With absolute authority come absolute responsibility. The CO's career is toast unless a terroristic type mutiny occurred.
I bet there will be more than one blamed. CIC, OOD, for sure, even if they were right in rules of the road, navigator, XO, all of them have some splaining to do.
Do they still use maneuvering boards? Or are those on iPads now?
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June 19, 2017, 04:42 PM
Hobbs
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Originally posted by f2: sdy's Hong Kong pic bothers me. In the after pic, there's no sign of the yellow, green (?) and red E awards, seen above on the starboard bridge wing (green and red with one hash mark). Was FITZGERALD stripped of them? I looked up other old pics of her starboard side, and they (proudly) display them in each one.
Different areas topside belong to different divisions for not only daily sweepers but topside preservation. Generally, the deck and hull belong to Deck division while the areas above the main deck are divided up by various others. The area in question is likely the responsibility of Nav or OI division or combination thereof. My guess is the area was recently repainted by the division responsible for topside "P" and those decals/emblems just hadn't been put back on yet. Regardless the reason, their not being there in a picture is of no consequence or indicative of anything not routine.
June 19, 2017, 04:53 PM
sdy
another aspect of the damage
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June 19, 2017, 04:54 PM
Timdogg6
I have little marine experience but I do have common sense. If you are a multi million/billion dollar war ship, aren't you supposed to assume that every thing is out there to kill you?
Aren't you supposed to assume that Alohasnackbar is at the helm of every ship in your vicinity and stay F-ing clear, or be ready to sink that ship?
To have a collision like this has no excuse, to have truly wasted the lives of sailors I am sure will haunt those who bear the blame, but it makes me physically ill to think of it. I don't care your rank or procedure or whatever somebody needed to say what the F is that turn the boat left NOW!
And given the point of impact, I believe that the destroyer was planning to T Bone the freighter and make a last ditch turn to the left.
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