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I guess Goodyear is woke now :rolleyes:

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August 19, 2020, 01:33 PM
JimmyRayBob
I guess Goodyear is woke now :rolleyes:
quote:
Originally posted by stickman428:
So if someone gets fired for ignoring this policy they might have a case? Does this policy not open the door to such a possibility?

**edit to add**

What if I kept saying at Good Year “all lives matter” until I got fired? If I worked there I would 100% want to be a test case for a law suit against this new corporate woke bullshit.


I'm not a lawyer ....

If fired for political reasons, and you tried to sue ... I believe you would lose, if you could even get a lawyer to take your case. Just about every state is effectively "at-will" employment right now. You can fire someone for just about any reason, other than those reasons specifically protected by law: race, creed, color, national origin, religion, sex, sexual orientation, etc. That's it. (if you have a signed employment contract, the rules change. Same with union labor typically).

So - as a business owner, am I allowed to only hire like-minded (politically speaking) people. Yes, as long as I don't violate the above race, creed, color, etc. Is it smart business - probably not. But it's legal.

Can I fire someone because I don't like the red shirt they are wearing? Absolutely. Is it smart? Probably not.

In a nutshell, "corporate woke bullshit" is legal. Stupid, but legal. And that is a good thing, because someday I may want to fire someone for some reason "the other side" disagrees with, and I want that right. I earned that right. I deserve that right.
August 19, 2020, 01:49 PM
nhtagmember
and their stock is taking a hit...

$10 at the close yesterday, $9.50 right now

shareholders ought to be pissed
August 19, 2020, 01:59 PM
chellim1
quote:
shareholders ought to be pissed

If you bought stock in the Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company (GT) 50 years ago... in July, 1970 you would have paid $13.50 / share. We've had an incredible bull run over the past 50 years but your stock today would be worth... $9.50 / share.

Shareholders ought to be pissed!



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-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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August 19, 2020, 02:09 PM
WingedMedic
I run BFGoodrich K02s so I'll definitely be sticking with those.

I have shifted my climbing/snow gear purchases away from Black Diamond into even more Petzl, LaSportiva, and Arc'teryx than usual though...

Kind of sad that I feel the need to send my business to Canada, France, and Italy instead of a local business, but they asked for it with all of their BLM/athlete racial preference bullshit.
August 19, 2020, 02:28 PM
az4783054
I just read about this on a car forum. Reportedly company officials stated this is not their policy. Could it be a 'woke' HR person making up their own policy?

It may pay to look into this further before jumping ship.
August 19, 2020, 02:33 PM
kimber1911
Wow!
That’s a poor performer.





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August 19, 2020, 02:38 PM
chellim1
^^^ Thanks for posting the chart. That's what I was looking at when I posted above.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
August 19, 2020, 02:41 PM
Flashlightboy
Being woke is a disease that can't be cured.

It really doesn't matter which team they pick because the other team still is going to play. They picked Team Woke, to their apparent financial detriment.

Corporate America can't play in the middle and come out ahead.

Allow everything, allow nothing or only their brand on clothing.
August 19, 2020, 02:43 PM
Keystoner
I think every PD in the country should take Trump's advice and never use a Goodyear tire on a police vehicle again.



The danger of baobabs is so little recognized.
August 19, 2020, 02:43 PM
ElToro
Looks like they have already backed away from that and said the screen shot widely published was not from corporate. Right.

My company contracts out the quarterly training on many subjects and I doubt any very senior people know what it says until they take it themselves.
August 19, 2020, 02:44 PM
parabellum
quote:
Originally posted by ElToro:
Looks like they have already backed away from that and said the screen shot widely published was not from corporate. Right.
Link?
August 19, 2020, 02:45 PM
erj_pilot
quote:
Originally posted by Keystoner:
I think every PD in the country should take Trump's advice and never use a Goodyear tire on a police vehicle again.
Add any Military Vehicle to that as well.



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August 19, 2020, 02:52 PM
Keystoner
quote:
Originally posted by ElToro:
Looks like they have already backed away from that and said the screen shot widely published was not from corporate. Right.

I don't think they're saying that.

They're saying "advocacy that fall(s) outside the scope of racial justice and equity issues" is not allowed, which is a joke.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/ma...olicy-discriminatory



The danger of baobabs is so little recognized.
August 19, 2020, 03:01 PM
BamaJeepster
quote:
Originally posted by Keystoner:
I don't think they're saying that.

They're saying "advocacy that fall(s) outside the scope of racial justice and equity issues" is not allowed, which is a joke.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/ma...olicy-discriminatory


They said 1. The slide was not from sent from corporate and 2. It was not a formal diversity training class.

What they did not say:
No response on whether it is an accurate representation of corporate policy.

The response they gave indicates that is indeed an accurate representation of their policy. They are going to go with attacking the phrase 'from corporate headquarters' and 'official diversity training class' rather than address the substance.



“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
- John Adams
August 19, 2020, 03:04 PM
chellim1
From the original link in the first post, page 1, here's what the corporate spokesperson said:

“Goodyear is committed to fostering an inclusive and respectful workplace where all of our associates can do their best in a spirit of teamwork. As part of this commitment, we do allow our associates to express their support on racial injustice and other equity issues but ask that they refrain from workplace expressions, verbal or otherwise, in support of political campaigning for any candidate or political party as well as other similar forms of advocacy that fall outside the scope of equity issues.”
-- Melissa Monaco, The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
August 19, 2020, 03:10 PM
dewhorse
I think this is a first for me, I have bought Duratracs for years.

just sent this

Good afternoon,

I recently read of your stance regarding allowing BLM and LGBTQ+ supportive clothing but not clothing supporting other political views. If you do not believe that BLM is a political movement you have not studied the movement as it has links to the communist party. I have bought Duratrac tires for many years and recommended them to friends/family, I will not longer do either. Also the fleet vehicles under my management will use non-Goodyear tires going forward.
August 19, 2020, 03:10 PM
roberth
The guys at my local store are not happy.

They told me "we're here to provide a service". HR really put them in a pickle.
August 19, 2020, 03:12 PM
Keystoner
quote:
Originally posted by chellim1:
From the original link in the first post, page 1, here's what the corporate spokesperson said:

“Goodyear is committed to fostering an inclusive and respectful workplace where all of our associates can do their best in a spirit of teamwork. As part of this commitment, we do allow our associates to express their support on racial injustice and other equity issues but ask that they refrain from workplace expressions, verbal or otherwise, in support of political campaigning for any candidate or political party as well as other similar forms of advocacy that fall outside the scope of equity issues.”
-- Melissa Monaco, The Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company

Then 'All Lives Matter' should be OK.



The danger of baobabs is so little recognized.
August 19, 2020, 03:14 PM
08 Cayenne
I had a set of Pirellis on my Macan from the factory, noisy as hell and slid all over the place. I had 2 Venza's put Michelin on both as well as the new set on my Macan.

quote:
Originally posted by old rugged cross:
quote:
Originally posted by erj_pilot:
My 2011 Toyota Venza FWD came stock with Good-Bye Eagle R/S's. I know I'm going to need to replace them very soon. What is the consensus on replacing with Pirelli or Michelin? I have Michelin's on my Corolla and like them. Never had Pirelli's on anything... TIA!


Pirelli's purchased by the chinese. look elsewhere.

August 19, 2020, 03:17 PM
roberth
I ran Michelin tires on my 2006 M3, they were terrific.