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Say I pay $50,000 for my house, and it is worth $100,000 at death. Since I've never sold the house, I've never filed capital gains tax on the appreciation. I leave the house to favorite niece Sue. The value of the house is well under the lifetime gift allowance of $5mil+. Does the tax man ever get their capital gains tax from the house when it is eventually sold? Is its acquisition price figured at -zero-? Why would the IRS get tax on the house, but not on a pile of hard cash I might leave Sue instead? | ||
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No capital gains on inheritance.. that is the reason for the 5 mill cap _______________________________ 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but > because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton NRA Endowment Life member NRA Pistol instructor...and Range Safety instructor Women On Target Instructor. | |||
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I'm not an expert, but my understanding is that her basis is the value of the house when she takes possession. if you were to gift her the house before death, then her basis would be what you paid for the house ____________________ I Like Guns and stuff | |||
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Estate gets a "step-up" in tax basis at date of death to equal FMV at that point. So, the clock restarts as to how much gain/loss there may be down the road. If sold during your lifetime, you can use the gain exclusion rules to exclude up to 500K in gain so long as it was your personal residence for two of the previous five years. Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. “If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016 | |||
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That's true, a donee takes the donors tax basis in the case of a gift. So, gifting the residence before death is a tax trap. Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. “If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016 | |||
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Nosce te ipsum |
So there is a tax consequence when Sue sells the house, with basis calculated depending on if it was gifted before death or inherited. And the reason a "cash inheritance" has no basis, just its dollar amount, is because (presumably) I will have sold the house and paid the capital gains to have the cash for Sue to inherit. | |||
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For the small amounts used in the hypothetical, there's also a capital gains tax exclusion for primary residences. | |||
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If you sell the house during your lifetime, then you exclude the gain under the personal residence exclusion rule presuming you meet the two year residency rule. Then it's cash and cash has a basis of one dollar for one dollar. If on the other hand, you gift it to Sue and she later sells it, whether you are alive or not, she pays capital gain tax on the difference between the net proceeds and your cost, her donee basis, of 50K. There would also be a gift tax return required unless the 50K gift were spread over multiple years to keep the annual value of the gift below 14K. Although, there would be no gift tax due unless your lifetime estate exclusion (5M+) had previously been used up. If she inherits the house and it's worth 100K at that time, her basis (stepped up basis) becomes 100K and the capital gain on some future sale is measured from there. So, remember the old saying about "he who dies with the most toy's wins". Well, the variation for tax purposes is, "He who dies with the most appreciated toy's wins" provided he has adequate remaining Estate tax exemption amounts to use up.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Sailor1911, Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. “If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016 | |||
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Sounds like the best plan would be for him to just bequeath it in his Will then, correct? Risk the consequences of honesty... | |||
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Yes, or do a legal step now to retitle the property to a "Transfer on Death" That doesn't result in a current gift because the actual transfer does not occur until death. - That's a legal process so consult an attorney on it. I am not a lawyer and can't practice law! Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. “If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016 | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
It's good to be Sue! With a stepped up basis. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Old, Slow, but Lucky! |
Remember that Johnnie Cash song, "A Boy Named SUE"? HI! I'm SUE, how do you DO? _______________________ Living the Dream... One Day at a Time. | |||
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Nosce te ipsum |
Thanks, I appreciate it. Last time I payed attention you could roll over profit within a time frame to avoid capital gains, but the exclusion is different. I think before there was the residency requirement, and the first was after two years, with the following every five years. I'll wade through the publication unless someone knows the answer to something I do not need to know now, but am curious to know: Can I repeat this every five years? | |||
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Residence sale exclusion rule only requires that the property be used as your principal residence in two out of the previous five years. So, that can be repeated every two years. Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. “If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016 | |||
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