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A PENSIONER has been arrested after an intruder was fatally wounded in his home in Hither Green, south-east London.
One suspect armed with a screwdriver was said to have forced the elderly man into his kitchen. An accomplice then went upstairs.
After a struggle one of the burglars sustained a stab wound. He died in the early hours of the morning.
Reports suggest the man may have been stabbed with a screwdriver.
The pensioner was arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm and is in custody at a South London police station.
A pensioner has been arrested after stabbing to death a suspected armed burglar he confronted in his South London home early today.
The 78-year-old was asleep with his wife in their Hither Green home when he heard noises and woke to challenge two men in the middle of a suspected break-in.
The homeowner was confronted by one of the intruders who was armed with a screwdriver and forced to retreat into his kitchen.
Police said there was a struggle in the kitchen and the 37-year-old suspected burglar was stabbed in the chest. He was rushed to hospital but died at 3.37am.
The second suspect – who police say was also armed – escaped and is being sought by police after the incident in Hither Green, south east London.
The homeowner suffered bruising to his arms but his condition is not thought to be serious.
He was initially arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm but re-arrested on suspicion of murder. He was in custody at a south London police today.
Scotland Yard said officers were called to reports of a “burglary in process” at around 12.45am.
A spokesman said: “The 78-year-old resident had found two males inside his address.
“One suspect went upstairs while the homeowner was forced into the kitchen by the second suspect, armed with a screwdriver.
“A struggle had ensued in the kitchen during which one of the males found inside the property sustained a stab wound to the upper body.”
Police said the dead man’s family have been informed, though the man has not yet been formally identified.
Detectives from the Met’s homicide and major crime command have launched an investigation.
Evelyn Henry, who lives on the road, said: “I saw flashing lights and lots of commotion in the early hours. It was around the houses opposite me. I’m not sure which of the neighbours were targeted.
#HitherGreen Metropolitan Police says a 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm after a man was stabbed and then later died during a burglary in on Further Green Road pic.twitter.com/RGMQPTOhMF
— London 999 Feed (@999London) April 4, 2018

“Police then came round to ask me what I’d seen or whether I had heard an altercation, but I told them I hadn’t.”
She added: “We have had a lot of police activity on the road before and problems with intruders.”
Mother-of-two Maribel Garcia, 42, was woken up at 1am as the police searched for the second suspect.
She said: “I’m not a good sleeper so the blue lights woke me up.
“I could see the police cars going round and round looking for someone.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news...-Green-pensioner/amp


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A PENSIONER has been arrested after an intruder was fatally wounded in his home in Hither Green, south-east London.
One suspect armed with a screwdriver was said to have forced the elderly man into his kitchen. An accomplice then went upstairs.
After a struggle one of the burglars sustained a stab wound. He died in the early hours of the morning.
Reports suggest the man may have been stabbed with a screwdriver.
The pensioner was arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm and is in custody at a South London police station.
A pensioner has been arrested after stabbing to death a suspected armed burglar he confronted in his South London home early today.
The 78-year-old was asleep with his wife in their Hither Green home when he heard noises and woke to challenge two men in the middle of a suspected break-in.
The homeowner was confronted by one of the intruders who was armed with a screwdriver and forced to retreat into his kitchen.
Police said there was a struggle in the kitchen and the 37-year-old suspected burglar was stabbed in the chest. He was rushed to hospital but died at 3.37am.
The second suspect – who police say was also armed – escaped and is being sought by police after the incident in Hither Green, south east London.
The homeowner suffered bruising to his arms but his condition is not thought to be serious.
He was initially arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm but re-arrested on suspicion of murder. He was in custody at a south London police today.
Scotland Yard said officers were called to reports of a “burglary in process” at around 12.45am.
A spokesman said: “The 78-year-old resident had found two males inside his address.
“One suspect went upstairs while the homeowner was forced into the kitchen by the second suspect, armed with a screwdriver.
“A struggle had ensued in the kitchen during which one of the males found inside the property sustained a stab wound to the upper body.”
Police said the dead man’s family have been informed, though the man has not yet been formally identified.
Detectives from the Met’s homicide and major crime command have launched an investigation.
Evelyn Henry, who lives on the road, said: “I saw flashing lights and lots of commotion in the early hours. It was around the houses opposite me. I’m not sure which of the neighbours were targeted.
#HitherGreen Metropolitan Police says a 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm after a man was stabbed and then later died during a burglary in on Further Green Road pic.twitter.com/RGMQPTOhMF
— London 999 Feed (@999London) April 4, 2018

“Police then came round to ask me what I’d seen or whether I had heard an altercation, but I told them I hadn’t.”
She added: “We have had a lot of police activity on the road before and problems with intruders.”
Mother-of-two Maribel Garcia, 42, was woken up at 1am as the police searched for the second suspect.
She said: “I’m not a good sleeper so the blue lights woke me up.
“I could see the police cars going round and round looking for someone.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news...-Green-pensioner/amp


Update - the 78-y/o pensioner has now formally been charged with murder, which is quite normal for an incident where somebody has died as the result of actions taken by another person. Over here we fully expect all charges to be dropped when the evidence has been examined. there were, after all, TWO of the scroates, and one poor old fart who, in a panic-fuelled moment in time, blindly reached out with the only means he had of defending himself and inadvertently impaled the POS on whatever it was. That would certainly be MY defence- I feared for my life, yer 'onner and thought I was going to die...

No need to panic, chaps. Please note that the last SEVEN cases where a similar turn of events took place, the home-owner walked out of court a free man, as is right and proper.

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Please note that the last SEVEN cases where a similar turn of events took place, the home-owner walked out of court a free man, as is right and proper.

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Walked out free, but with a very large legal bill.




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The fact he was charged at all shows how screwed up it is there
 
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No need to panic, chaps. Please note that the last SEVEN cases where a similar turn of events took place, the home-owner walked out of court a free man, as is right and proper.

tac


Interesting. So I assume that means that in the UK the police don't have any the ability to decide whether or not to file a case? Or the ability to file the case "At Large" so that it can be reviewed by the prosecuting agency without having to arrest the accused?

Here in TX the police could decide not to file the case, to file at large or to go ahead and arrest. Then the D.A. could simply reject the case or decide to present it to the grand jury. Then finally the grand jury could no-bill the case or file a true bill of indictment if they decide there is probable cause for the case to proceed to trial. Of course a lot of the decision process will depend on the situation and issues presented such as self-defense, defense of others or defense of property.




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No need to panic, chaps. Please note that the last SEVEN cases where a similar turn of events took place, the home-owner walked out of court a free man, as is right and proper.

tac


Your perspective is much appreciated. Though I still find it outrageous that the homeowner was even charged, especially with murder, I understand that that is not unusual over there for a situation like this.

Hopefully justice and sanity will eventually prevail once again.


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No need to panic, chaps. Please note that the last SEVEN cases where a similar turn of events took place, the home-owner walked out of court a free man, as is right and proper.

tac

Still: I prefer an environment where the police and prosecutor take a look, and, if it's clearly and unequivocally self-defence, no arrest is made and no charges are brought.



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I’m curious....under English law does the defendant have to get his own lawyer/solicitor? Or is one appointed. Doesn’t seem fair for this guy to have to spend a night (or more) in jail, and have his time (granted, he’s retired) taken from him with no compensation simply because he defended himself.


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tac:

I have a question or two, if you have some time to answer.

I am a lawyer, and former prosecutor. I no longer practice criminal law, but I haven't forgotten everything I knew...

Over here, a prosecutor takes all elements of evidence into account before a charging decision is made. So, the results of the police investigation, any forensic evidence, statements, etc. are all considered by the prosecutor before a matter is either presented to a grand jury (which may also hear witnesses) or considered by the prosecutor for a charging decision, and the charging decision is supported by that record.

This is done to try to prevent the unnecessary charging of a person who is not "guilty" of the crime charged; not that they weren't involved in the act, but that they aren't technically "guilty". Our prosecutors have the ability to make those decisions independent of proven evidence in court. In addition to preserving the person's rights and reputation, it also reduces burden on the judicial system, eliminates defense costs to the accused and frees a prosecutor to pursue more pressing or fruitful cases.

In fact, we recognize a tort of malicious prosecution here that may be brought against a prosecutor for a criminal case that is pursued with malice, rather than proper notice of the relevant facts. Plaintiffs don't win many of these, as there is a pretty broad definition of immunity, but the remedy is there.

Is it the case in Great Britain that the case is brought and that the court must determine that the evidence doesn't support the charge? Do the police or the crown prosecution service have the ability to decide NOT to pursue a charge in a case like this?

Thank you for your insight.

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Disgusting. What happened to Engand? Oh, he'll be acquitted? Acquitted of what?? Defending his home and his life???????

Disgusting and shameful. God help the British people, because their government is made up of a bunch of ninnies.
 
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You got your ass handed to you by a 78 year old man.

Hope they have fun with that while you burn in hell, impaled on your own screwdriver.

Let's hope the legal fee structure for something like this is different there, it would be sad to a guy on a pension (is that a private pension or like our government provided social security?) have his financial world destroyed over defending his family and home




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Not surprised, they routinely charge you for defending yourself.
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If this is the way things are done in the UK as Tac says, I would get my family the hell away from there ASAP. The right to self defense should be considered God given, not allowed or disallowed by any government. The UK has gone to hell in a hand basket!
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In one way or another, most of Europe seems bent on it's own destruction. England, France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands-- it's bizarre to behold. They can't kill themselves fast enough.


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TacFoley, thank you for your insight in this matter. Like so many of my countrymen I am saddened and angered that an otherwise law-abiding citizen seems to end up being victimized twice. First by the criminals then again by the system.

Am I to understand that the Gentleman who successfully defended himself is in no "real" jeopardy in this case? That, "the process must be followed" wink, wink, nudge, nudge?


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What do you expect from the UK. They don’t have a free society. This is evidenced by the recent conviction of a Scottish guy for a hate crime because he posted a YouTube video of his pug doing the Nazi solute. Face it boys however bad we think we have it here...it can be much much worse.


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