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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:The IRA only wanted to hurt and disrupt the government, they did not want to hurt innocent people with their bombing campaigns. Not saying they were right with their actions but not all acts of terrorism have death of civilians as a goal.

Well, Sir, I lived the life between December 1969, and the middle of 1997, my last time in Northern Ireland and mainland UK, seeing proof that your comment above is just so wrong that it is impossible for me to even begin to tell you how wrong you are.

Tell the 12 women and children killed on the M6 bus that the IRA was not blowing them up to hurt them, just to hurt the government.

FYI, there were at least 10,000 bomb attacks during the conflict (1968–1998).

Or this one - The Birmingham pub bombings were carried out on 21 November 1974, when bombs exploded in two public houses in Birmingham, England, killing 21 people and injuring 182 others.

I stood at the side of the road after a half ton bomb had gone off under the Pajero belonging to a judge and his family. It had been blown 150 feet in the air by a culvert bomb, and walked past a child's hand embedded in a telegraph pole up to the knuckles.

Do some reading, FFS.

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
Ill bet it has something to do with the ATT building. Only reason to set it off there.

I think you are probably correct. Christmas and Mother’s Day are high volume communication traffic days. My guess is disgruntled employee.

^^^^^^^^
I hope you are correct, but I fear a more sinister motive.

Personal opinion...I am absolutely shocked that this has not happened already; I had it in my head that this would be rather routine after 9/11...and as available as guns are in the US, I was expecting pretty frequent terror related shootings as well.

For the most part, none of that took place. I still do not understand why not.

Cincinnati has an RV parked running next to a federal building. Just investigating at the moment. Possibly already cleared.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:The IRA only wanted to hurt and disrupt the government, they did not want to hurt innocent people with their bombing campaigns. Not saying they were right with their actions but not all acts of terrorism have death of civilians as a goal.

Well, Sir, I lived the life between December 1969, and the middle of 1997, my last time in Northern Ireland and mainland UK, seeing proof that your comment above is just so wrong that it is impossible for me to even begin to tell you how wrong you are.

Tell the 12 women and children killed on the M6 bus that the IRA was not blowing them up to hurt them, just to hurt the government.

FYI, there were at least 10,000 bomb attacks during the conflict (1968–1998).

Or this one - The Birmingham pub bombings were carried out on 21 November 1974, when bombs exploded in two public houses in Birmingham, England, killing 21 people and injuring 182 others.

I stood at the side of the road after a half ton bomb had gone off under the Pajero belonging to a judge and his family. It had been blown 150 feet in the air by a culvert bomb, and walked past a child's hand embedded in a telegraph pole up to the knuckles.

Do some reading, FFS.

Point taken, and after re-reading my previous statement I can absolutely see where my thoughts didn’t accurately make it to the screen. I should have said that, “In some cases, particularly later in their bombing campaign, the IRA was not looking to hurt innocents but only to disrupt the government.” Clearly the IRA often had no concerns for the innocents that ended up getting hurt or killed by their bombs. Many innocent people were killed by IRA bombs and it was not my intention to diminish their loss. I humbly apologize to anyone that I may have offended.

The point I was really trying to make was that terrorist bombings that try to minimize death or injury to innocents are not without precedent. In fact, the code system that the IRA used with the UK government was something that I learned about while attending a threat assessment class taught by some British EOD personnel. For those unaware, the Brits are widely considered to be some of the best in the world at threat assessment with respect to IED attacks. A great deal of what we know in the counter IED world today is because of the work that folks like yourself have done with the IRA tacfoley. I am grateful for your service and those of your contemporaries and am fortunate to have had the opportunity to have learned from your countrymen.

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Originally posted by midwest guy:

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
Ill bet it has something to do with the ATT building. Only reason to set it off there.

I think you are probably correct. Christmas and Mother’s Day are high volume communication traffic days. My guess is disgruntled employee.

Well Christmas is a Christian holiday so you never know. It could be a political statement.

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Originally posted by mrvmax:
Are you EOD? It’s been a long time since I was and no telling the advancements. I’ve seen flashes, heard the bang and lived through it. I never worked on a real IED though, everything I experienced was conventional, practice or mistaken for an IED (I once blew open some ammo cans reported as an IED). It’s a much different world now.

Not military EOD but a public safety bomb technician. Thankfully I have had the privilege to work with and learn from quite a few military EOD techs, active and retired over the years. It’s interesting that I’ve had experience with more live IEDs than live military ordnance over the years and your experience has kind of been the opposite. If you aren’t familiar with the program you should Google “Raven’s Challenge,” when you have the time. I’ve had the opportunity to attend this training on several occasions and it’s always a great information exchange where us civilian techs get to learn a few things from the military techs and the military techs pick up a few things from the civilian techs. If it’s been a while, I think you’ll be pleased with some of the progress in the world of EOD since the beginning of the GWOT.

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Terrorism is violence used to achieve a political goal. Whether or not the goal is maximizing or minimizing civilian injuries and death, it is still terrorism. As opposed to violence used to achieve criminal goals, such as that perpetrated by the Mafia, drug cartels, and street gangs.

9/11 killed 3000 people. It could have been 100,000 if the flights were a few hours later when the Twin Towers were full of people, if the plane that hit the Pentagon was targeted better, and if the timing didn't lead to the other flight to be taken over by passengers and ditched in an unpopulated area.

Was the goal to minimize civilian deaths? The goal was to take down the Twin Towers, as Bin Laden tried and failed a decade earlier with a truck bomb, and I think to hit the White House, which they missed. The body count was not the goal. Perhaps it was just luck of the flight timing. Or perhaps the did choose to make their "statement" without maximizing casualties.

Now, this might have been a trial run for disabling communications for something bigger in the future. But criminals with any brains would not tip their hands like this, because their goal is stealing whatever it is that they need to have communications disrupted to get to, and not getting caught. Only people that want to prove a political point and cause fear of future events would do this.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
9/11 killed 3000 people. It could have been 100,000 if the flights were a few hours later when the Twin Towers were full of people,

It would have been a lot less if the port authority had followed their own disaster protocalls.

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:The IRA only wanted to hurt and disrupt the government, they did not want to hurt innocent people with their bombing campaigns. Not saying they were right with their actions but not all acts of terrorism have death of civilians as a goal.

Well, Sir, I lived the life between December 1969, and the middle of 1997, my last time in Northern Ireland and mainland UK, seeing proof that your comment above is just so wrong that it is impossible for me to even begin to tell you how wrong you are.

Tell the 12 women and children killed on the M6 bus that the IRA was not blowing them up to hurt them, just to hurt the government.

FYI, there were at least 10,000 bomb attacks during the conflict (1968–1998).

Or this one - The Birmingham pub bombings were carried out on 21 November 1974, when bombs exploded in two public houses in Birmingham, England, killing 21 people and injuring 182 others.

I stood at the side of the road after a half ton bomb had gone off under the Pajero belonging to a judge and his family. It had been blown 150 feet in the air by a culvert bomb, and walked past a child's hand embedded in a telegraph pole up to the knuckles.

Do some reading, FFS.

I saw that comment and couldn't believe it.

Yes. SOME IRA groups called in bombs, but not always and not even most of the time.

Doesn’t appear to be amateur work for sure. Direct loss of human life doesn’t seem to be the goal either. I believe we as Americans have been blessed to not endure as many of these sorts of attacks as other parts of the world. With today’s technology and ability to gain knowledge there are countless numbers of individuals and organizations that can carry out attacks like this. Thankfully minimal injuries and loss of life at this time. Hopefully the perpetrators are caught quickly. Stay safe out there.

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Originally posted by armedmd:
Doesn’t appear to be amateur work for sure. Direct loss of human life doesn’t seem to be the goal either. I believe we as Americans have been blessed to not endure as many of these sorts of attacks as other parts of the world. With today’s technology and ability to gain knowledge there are countless numbers of individuals and organizations that can carry out attacks like this. Thankfully minimal injuries and loss of life at this time. Hopefully the perpetrators are caught quickly. Stay safe out there.

^^^ We, the United States, don't have the ethnic / tribal hatred that persists in many parts of the world, such as Africa, the Middle East and the EU. I believe it was Para who stated that it would ultimately lead to the latter's downfall (as it did many times in the past) and to let them keep that shit over there. Of course, the way this country is heading politically (I think we're there), it's only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan in greater numbers.

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Originally posted by PrinceAliFabulousHe:

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Originally posted by tacfoley:

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:The IRA only wanted to hurt and disrupt the government, they did not want to hurt innocent people with their bombing campaigns. Not saying they were right with their actions but not all acts of terrorism have death of civilians as a goal.

Well, Sir, I lived the life between December 1969, and the middle of 1997, my last time in Northern Ireland and mainland UK, seeing proof that your comment above is just so wrong that it is impossible for me to even begin to tell you how wrong you are.

Tell the 12 women and children killed on the M6 bus that the IRA was not blowing them up to hurt them, just to hurt the government.

FYI, there were at least 10,000 bomb attacks during the conflict (1968–1998).

Or this one - The Birmingham pub bombings were carried out on 21 November 1974, when bombs exploded in two public houses in Birmingham, England, killing 21 people and injuring 182 others.

I stood at the side of the road after a half ton bomb had gone off under the Pajero belonging to a judge and his family. It had been blown 150 feet in the air by a culvert bomb, and walked past a child's hand embedded in a telegraph pole up to the knuckles.

Do some reading, FFS.

I saw that comment and couldn't believe it.

Yes. SOME IRA groups called in bombs, but not always and not even most of the time.

And let's not forget the Harrods Department Store bombing of 1983. Killed three cops, three members of public and injured 90 more.

Speculate as you will but until additional evidence surfaces it's shots in the dark.

I am content to wait for additional information. Happy that injuries were so limited.

flashguy

Entirely possible the bomber blew themselves up.

probably a big search going on for security videos to track the route of the SUV

What the hell is happening to Nashville. They have a commie mayor, a bunch of hippies Have moved in, now this??