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50k is a lower wage but... What if you are a vet that put their 20 years in? You saw plenty of combat but you aren't a tier 1 operator. You also don't want to spend any more time in desert hell holes where people are trying to kill you every day. Those are a bunch of factors that go in to the type of pay the contractors get. If I put my 20 or 25 in, I'm mid 40's with a full pension, an extra 50k per year sounds pretty good. I'm generally in a conditioned space, I'm around folks who for the most part don't want to kill me, and even better, I'm doing something I actually believe in and feel is really worthwhile. I know what everyone says about assuming things but let's just assume that the safety officers are protected by the school systems liability shield, let's assume that 132 hours of training is pretty decent, and let's assume they aren't going to hire a walking idiot. And just for shits and grins (Kev, not directed towards you specifically since I quoted you above) how about we stand with one fucking voice and cheer this principal on as someone who is trying to do something fucking right about an issue that is facing America and is located in a place where firearms and liberty are generally looked down upon. There's been a bird in this thread that keeps trying to get everyone on point. How about we listen to that, not because of who he is on this forum but because he is fucking ON POINT! As long as it goes BANG when it is supposed to why do you guys give a rats ass about what kind of rifle it is? If there are problems Kel-Tec will address them or they will switch brands. It is a DAMN RIFLE! DEPLOYED, and not locked in a safe on the other side of school. Come on guys, let's pull the rope together as one instead of pushing it... Mark | |||
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http://www.sunshinestatenews.c...oves-arming-teachers "A Florida Senate panel tasked with shaping statewide education policies advanced a sweeping school-security package on Tuesday that would make it easier for school districts to participate in a controversial “guardian” program and would allow classroom teachers to be armed. The Senate Education Committee approved the proposal (SPB 7030) with a 5-3 vote along party lines. The vote came after the panel agreed to amend the measure to allow law enforcement officers to serve as school safety specialists instead of requiring school district employees to fill that role. The revised bill also puts school superintendents in charge of appointing school “guardians.” The changes came after Republicans on the committee swatted down a proposal by Sen. Lori Berman, D-Boynton Beach, that would have barred classroom teachers from carrying concealed weapons on school grounds. Teehee! “My eight grandchildren, and their generation, they deserve to have someone ready to protect them if they are available,” Sen. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, said. "I am asking you to understand that we want to empower those people who can do something, they are the only ones who will be there in a narrow amount of time to save those lives." The school guardian program, part of a sweeping law created in response to the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School mass shooting last February, allows school personnel to carry concealed weapons on campus after going through extensive training." ____________________ | |||
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My brother has been a maintenance man at a private school, (or charter school, I don't know which) in FL for a long time. The school sent him to classes for school safety officer because they reasoned that he knew the buildings better than anyone. When he first showed up for classes he said he had his doubts, because everyone else there was retired military or LEO & he has no experience in the field at all. They all proved to be very helpful & not at all condescending, nor were there any mall ninjas present. I applaud Florida's taking the lead on this problem. In one of our local school districts here in PA, the school board voted to hire some armed school safety officers. The liberals, the teacher's unions & the press from all over the state descended on the school district with a vengeance & the plan had to be scrapped. Maybe there are other districts who got it done. I don't know. ------------------------------------------------ "It's hard to imagine a more stupid or dangerous way of making decisions, than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell | |||
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50K total personnel cost minus roughly 25% for benefits amounts to about $37,500 salary, or about $18.50 per hour. Licensed armed security officers in Florida start at around $14.00 per hour so this is a little above the market. Most licensed security officers in the state have prior military or LE experience. If the $50,000 is actual salary, it works out to about $25 per hour which is way ahead of the job market for licensed security officers in the state. There is a minimum number of hours of firearms training that armed school personnel must attend which far exceeds the number of hours required for a licensed security officer.This message has been edited. Last edited by: HayesGreener, CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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I wonder how many miles of fencing we have around our public schools in this country vs. how many along the borders? I'm all for have people armed in school. I was shocked a bit to see my kids' school had implemented armed guards this year and other measures. I glad for it though. | |||
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The same could be said for just about any and all activities couldn't it. That's a silly statement. ______________________ Semper Fi | |||
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seems like a reasonable approach. relativism applied. the charter school can also relay a list of roles and responsibilities. no deputies assigned to hangout on their radio while kids are dying. cause you cant say thats their job. (aka BSO) you are hired for the purpose of running into stop killers before they can kill or mass kill those you are hired to protect. oh and heres some equipment to give you a better than average chance to do so. they may fail, may get new roles, may make things worse. but relying on the broward sheriff's office sure didnt do any good either. not saying most police would act the same, but those who followed that story, im sure wonder if their expectations of local police are realistic. so what do YOU do? this principal came up with a plan. | |||
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Seems like a good program to me. I'm sure there will be some adjustments made as they work through the process, but in my opinion, a damned good idea. “Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.” ― Ronald Reagan Retired old fart | |||
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Beat the hell out of hiding under a desk and throwing erasers. | |||
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Sure... For the record I didnt say I was against it... just asking academic questions. Strive to live your life so when you wake up in the morning and your feet hit the floor, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up." | |||
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It would be a great job for many vets. When I got off active duty, I didn't know what to do and took a job working un-armed hospital security for less pay than this proposal (no summers off either!) It was a decent job though. This job has the aforementioned summer off perk (with some required in-service training I'm sure), more pay, better "mission," and armed. It would be a great job for younger vets coming out that gives them decent pay and experience while they figure out what career to do next, or for someone with a 20 year pension who is too young to not want to work, but would still have all summer to goof off. It would also be a low stress and low pressure job other than the 5 minutes of a real event that probably won't happen (especially at their school!) “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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Those baby poop brown mags indicate they are also carrying the Glock 19X. Good choice. Yeah, I'd rather see these guys patrolling the schools with Kel-Tech's and High Point's than a tactical hockey puck or rocks. Big step in the right direction. | |||
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Also my understanding is the active shooter's fear of interference in body count is paramount is selection of place to activate. EasyFire EasyFire [AT] zianet.com ---------------------------------- NRA Certified Pistol Instructor Colorado Concealed Handgun Permit Instructor Nationwide Agent for > US LawShield > https://www.texaslawshield.com...p.php?promo=ondemand CCW Safe > www.ccwsafe.com/CCHPI | |||
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$50k is more than an emergency room Registered Nurse makes in some parts of Florida. That should do fine. Good on them for Doing Something. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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Glad they have Armed Security. I think every school should. Open carry of a rifle is a tad much. ----------------------------- Always carry. Never tell. | |||
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17 inches? That sounds scary.  [/QUOTE]thats what she said  "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin, 1759-- Special Edition - Reverse TT 229ST.Sig Logo'd CTC Grips., Bedair guide rod | |||
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Why? The entire point of armed security is that it is only useful if and when an attack occurs. Otherwise and the rest of the time, it is completely worthless. Should an attack occur in a school with no doubt a decent size campus and very large rooms such as gyms, cafeterias, and long hallways... Which would be more effective in that environment to engage a suspect who may have a 5.56 AR? Not only that, but the nature of the attack as well. The guards are not the target, they are going to have to run towards the gunfire and engage as soon as they have a good shot and positive ID, a rifle really stretches that envelope! Now, an armored car guard? No, they probably don't need a rifle, if they get attacked it will be close enough for the thieves to grab the money. “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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Not really, the point is to make Armed Security visually obvious. This is a completely different situation than the Open Carry vs. CCW argument. Here you know what you are defending. This is much like the use of security lights a a residence. The message is: "Move on to the Next Target" No, Daoism isn't a religion | |||
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Making America Great Again and Safe too !!! Got to love it !!! God Bless  "Always legally conceal carry. At the right place and time, one person can make a positive difference." | |||
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My kid's school has one officer on loan from the Sheriff's Dept and one school safety coordinator/maintenance director. Given the budget, I'd much prefer the setup this school has. Wonder what their job will entail? I mean, will they strictly be security for the school, watch the perimeter, man checkpoints/metal detectors (if they have em), or will they end up being reduced to breaking up fights between kids, etc. Not a bad job if you're allowed to do your job and not become a gopher for every low level administrator in the school. ________________________________________________ "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving." -Dr. Adrian Rogers | |||
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