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| 2 agents killed, 3 agents injured during shootout while trying to serve a child porn search warrant. Reportedly the first FBI on duty deaths since 2008. https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi...ving-warrant-floridaNot to derail from the tragedy, but this goes back to what I've repeatedly said during the various threads over the years when comments are posted along the lines of "Why does XYZ federal LE agency need guns? They only handle white collar crimes like fraud, etc."It's not just felons wanted for violent crimes that get violent when it's time to serve a search warrant or arrest warrant. "Non-violent" criminals like tax fraudsters, identity thieves, and child porn perverts get violent too. Law enforcement is law enforcement. |
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| Terrible news indeed.
Condolences to all those affected by this tragedy. |
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The Quiet Man
| This has been a major topic of conversation in my office today. That is precisely the type of cases we work and often in cooperation with FBI. FBI has a huge role in both Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking cases.
People don't always think about it, but consider this. A lot of suspects in these cases are successful people who have never been in trouble before. They've kept their crimes secret and now they know the game is up and they are about to be made public. They are going to lose everything. Job. Family. Standing. Everything.
I've always looked at these as high risk warrants. High risk for an assault on LE, but higher risk for suicide by the suspect. Or both.
Folks like to talk bad about FBI, but all the agents I deal with on CE cases have been fantastic and motivated to do the right thing.
Terrible, terrible situation. |
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| quote: I've always looked at these as high risk warrants. High risk for an assault on LE, but higher risk for suicide by the suspect. Or both.
Any warrant service or arrest is high risk. If you approach them all like someone is going to try and hurt you, you learn how to mitigate that risk through better tactics or mindset. I survived 18 years as a street cop in the hood. I assumed everyone was gonna hurt me, regardless of the suspects skin color or socioeconomic status. It kept me alive. /drift
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| quote: Originally posted by copaup:
This has been a major topic of conversation in my office today. That is precisely the type of cases we work and often in cooperation with FBI. FBI has a huge role in both Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking cases.
People don't always think about it, but consider this. A lot of suspects in these cases are successful people who have never been in trouble before. They've kept their crimes secret and now they know the game is up and they are about to be made public. They are going to lose everything. Job. Family. Standing. Everything.
I've always looked at these as high risk warrants. High risk for an assault on LE, but higher risk for suicide by the suspect. Or both.
Folks like to talk bad about FBI, but all the agents I deal with on CE cases have been fantastic and motivated to do the right thing.
Terrible, terrible situation.
I agree. There's always criticism of the way any warrant is served against seemingly "well to do" people. Well, this is why. |
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| I think the real issue in the case you are hinting at was that CNN seemed to get a heads up call to be there for arrest. LE needs to protect themselves. Period. Having the media there doesn’t qualify. |
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| what a nightmare scenario -----------------------------------
Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.
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| quote: Originally posted by Jack830:
In an action like this, do LE Agents
wear Body armor?
If I’m on duty in any capacity but training in a controlled environment, I’m wearing my vest. In fact it’s policy. I can’t, however, speak for the effa B eye when they show up in sport coats and slacks.
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| They were wearing soft armor. |
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The Quiet Man
| I’ve never served a warrant where every officer or agent there wasn’t wearing armor. We might relax the armor after the scene is secured and locked down, but always armor up on initial contact. |
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| quote: Originally posted by copaup:
I’ve never served a warrant where every officer or agent there wasn’t wearing armor. We might relax the armor after the scene is secured and locked down, but always armor up on initial contact.
Sounds like a good idea to me! flashguy
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| quote: Originally posted by jljones:
They were wearing soft armor.
Plates not soft. |
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| This event is horrible for everyone involved and now the mourning will begin. My prayers for the families of the lost agents and for all involved. For the deceased I offer my Semper Fi.
Semper Fidelis
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| Very sad.
Prayers sent
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| Most common types of soft body armor obviously do not protect head, neck, underarms, arms, legs, thus leaving many ways to be injured or killed. It does increase you odds of surviving a deadly shot, but is by no means 100% protection. Jes sayin'.
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