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I posted this guy here before and he seemed to flop. I don't think anyone would disagree with this video though. I encourage you to listen to what he has to say.





I find all of his videos interesting and well researched.

I did search to see if this was posted before but searching here for "woke" and/or "marxist" is like trying to find the proverbial needle.
 
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WOkeness is the new Political Correctness. If you can't win an argument with logic, change the terms so your opponent can't use the language that supports his argument.


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Perhaps appropriate for here, an opinion from The Wall Street Journal.
The author points to something that I have been saying for some time. People do things because it allows them to influence and control others, and if they can’t do it by being productive or otherwise worth something to the society, they can do it by convincing others to follow their lead by other means.
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Employees Terrorize Their Bosses Into Going Woke
A new paper by researchers from Baylor University and the Copenhagen Business School helps shed light on why.

By Dave Seminara

Why do big companies seem to be getting only more woke? It’s a question I’ve been asked frequently since I started to maintain a list of woke businesses in April 2021. I was frustrated that much of corporate America was fecklessly endorsing Democratic fear-mongering about a newly passed election-integrity law in Georgia—which, indeed, subsequent minority voter turnout proved to be a hysterical reaction. To my knowledge none of the organizations that joined the pressure campaign against Georgia have apologized. Most have become even more woke, inserting themselves into such issues as abortion and parental rights in education, causing my list to grow and grow.

Wokeness, the authors conclude, typically originates from power-seeking middle managers looking to carve out areas of responsibility that enhance their job security. Think of career fields that tend to attract more Democrats, like the human-resource bureaucrats who manage diversity- training programs or advertising teams that design social-justice marketing campaigns. Lower-status employees are somewhat expendable to a giant company, but rather less so if they specialize in wokeness. The diversity, equity and inclusion jargon alone makes such initiatives “difficult for outsiders, including top managers, to understand” and thus to “challenge,” the study explains. The result is that middle-management bureaucrats play an “outsized” role in spreading this leftwing ideology to corporate culture.

Though there is “little evidence of systematic support for woke ideas among executives,” they tend to rubber- stamp them anyway. Corporate leaders often fear their younger, more sensitive and progressive subordinates, as well as the advocacy groups that rate companies on woke metrics. Executives know that if they don’t approve leftwing initiatives, they could face public backlash. We’ve seen woke employees protest corporate policies at Amazon, Hachette, Disney, Netflix and a host of other companies. As the researchers point out, in some cases executives approve woke initiatives to shift the focus away from hard performance measures like profitability toward softer, more easily manipulated ones like “contributions to diversity or social justice.”

There’s little sign of wide support for wokeness among the public, the study notes, yet companies seem blind to the risk of alienating customers by going too far left. I think that’s partially explained by how social media distorts their view of public opinion. Because younger generations are more likely to take to Twitter or similar platforms to tarnish a brand that offends their sensibilities, businesses get the idea that their customers are more left-leaning than they really are. Even if they see through this, it seems to me that companies often seem more interested in building loyalty with the younger, woker demographic than fretting about older customers who don’t like their branding.

One serious consequence of all this, the study explains, is that “the promotion of corporate wokeness limits viewpoint diversity.” As left-wing ideology pervades a company, it becomes harder and harder to have an unorthodox opinion and still succeed there, the study concludes. That’s “typically bad for creativity and innovation.”

It also seems to lead to a disconnect between brands and their customers’ values. While 63% of corporate executives agreed “unequivocally” that companies “should speak out on social issues” in a November 2021 Brunswick Insights poll, a mere 36% of voters—and only 51% of Biden voters—concurred. Edelman’s 2022 Trust Barometer showed that Republican voters’ trust in businesses dipped 12 points last year, falling for the first time ever to a point at which a majority distrusted corporations. This is no doubt in part due to increasing frustration with corporate wokeism.

What, then, are we to do when there isn’t a single large corporation that markets itself as unwoke? My advice: Patronize small businesses. The owners may not share your politics, but without the problem of middle- management bureaucrats trying to protect and expand their turf, you’re far less likely to encounter wokeness in the business itself. You can even find ads specifically for conservative small businesses on apps like Public Square, but it’s satisfying to have ideology left at the door too.

I used to be addicted to Chipotle, but when their marketing became too woke for my taste, I gravitated to a local burrito chain called Casita Taqueria. Not only does its food taste better and cost less, I have no idea what the owners’ politics are— and I don’t care. I’m just excited that when I want Mexican fast food, I don’t have to swallow any distasteful politics with it.

Mr. Seminara is a former diplomat and author of “Mad Travelers: A Tale of Wanderlust, Greed & the Quest to Reach the Ends of the Earth.”

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The video is more than the thread title. I encourage you to listen to it.
 
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The video discusses the theories behind this movement and how people rationalize it. Blend it in with radical feminism, which ultimately gets distilled to sweeping anti-male positions, and bigotry, where racial grievances are twisted into outright racism, you get the general gist of the current American woke position.

What the video describes, the author below provides insight into the actual practices and foot soldiers of this movement. Over 4-years ago (pre-Floyd/BLM 2020), this authored pen'd his mea culpa as part of his own healing process, pulling himself out of the mire that social radicalism had built. He's been interviewed by Carlson and been quoted by a variety of other works.

Sad Radicals is behind a soft-wall- sign up but no pay.

If you don't want to sign-up, you can listen to a narrated version here; give it 20-minutes.
 
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The video discusses the theories behind this movement and how people rationalize it.

I enjoyed listening to it.
He does a nice job putting it all together.
Thanks for posting this.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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What I really love is the fact that the left now wants people to stop using the word "woke" because it has become a pejorative. In their efforts to halt its use, they use their good old reliable fallback, racism.

Sorry, no. I know of no one who uses the word woke in a racist manner. "Woke" cuts across race and gender barriers because it refers- by its actual popular definition- to any person who has become infected with leftist ideology and all the ridiculous and contradictory baggage it carries.

It's just so delicious that the left now wants this word to disappear, because the fact of the matter is that they are the ones who created its current social definition. They were so proud of of this word, and so proud to be called 'woke' but when the word's connotation became negative to the public at large, it became a drag on their ridiculous cause.

The left tried to do the same thing with the acronym "MAGA" and they do use it as a pejorative, but unlike the petulant leftists, we do not abandon terms we created simply because others wish to use those terms against us. Smile


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I wonder if a "normal" left leaning person hears another person on the left talking about "woke" ideas and equates them to a Ted Nugent type.

Yes, we share the same side but please STFU cause you're doing more harm than good.





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I remember at the end of Miss Congenialty when she said, "dangit I really do want world peace" when earlier in the movie she had mocked the phrase.

"Dangit I really do want to Make America Great Again"



This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. -Rear Admiral (Lower Half) Joshua Painter Played by Senator Fred Thompson
 
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Originally posted by OttoSig:
I wonder if a "normal" left leaning person hears another person on the left talking about "woke" ideas and equates them to a Ted Nugent type.

Yes, we share the same side but please STFU cause you're doing more harm than good.


There is a growing group of LGB that are openly hostile to the TQ++ side of the acronym. They state that they are not groomers, and they do not represent us. (often referring to the new cult of trans alteration for children)



This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. -Rear Admiral (Lower Half) Joshua Painter Played by Senator Fred Thompson
 
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Originally posted by OttoSig:
I wonder if a "normal" left leaning person hears another person on the left talking about "woke" ideas and equates them to a Ted Nugent type.

Yes, we share the same side but please STFU cause you're doing more harm than good.


There is a growing group of LGB that are openly hostile to the TQ++ side of the acronym. They state that they are not groomers, and they do not represent us. (often referring to the new cult of trans alteration for children)


I can see this, I've heard and read instances of the LGB folks being excluded from the group as a whole because, "they aren't gay enough". Not sure how true it is, but if you hear something more than a couple times, probably some truth to it.





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"Woke" cuts across race and gender barriers because it refers- by its actual popular definition- to any person who has become infected with leftist ideology and all the ridiculous and contradictory baggage it carries.

It's just so delicious that the left now wants this word to disappear, because the fact of the matter is that they are the ones who created its current social definition. They were so proud of of this word, and so proud to be called 'woke' but when the word's connotation became negative to the public at large, it became a drag on their ridiculous cause.

The left corrupts our language to the point of flipping on it's head the plain meaning of words. Ryan Chapman, the guy in the video, starts out with the word "liberalism", as the founding principles of Western civilization, not the word as corrupted by leftists. Marxism is the critique of liberalism and the alternative to liberalism.

They do this to confuse the issue. It works until people catch on to what the meaning of the word has become as opposed to the plain meaning of the word.

With the word "woke" it's a little different in that it hasn't actually been flipped on it's head, it's just that it has come into common use.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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With the word "woke" it's a little different in that it hasn't actually been flipped on it's head, it's just that it has come into common use.
I disagree. The leftists who coined this term intended for it to be a badge of honor, but as the word seeped into the American lexicon, it morphed into a pejorative and nothing but. This is indicated by the fact that the left now deems the usage of this word to be "racist" which is code for anything they would like to see disappear- words, institutions, and people.

The left proudly threw the term 'woke' around when referring to their own but once its meaning (as opposed to definition) changed, boom, it's "racist".


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Originally posted by corsair:
... If you don't want to sign-up, you can listen to a narrated version here; give it 20-minutes.
That was really good.
 
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Yes, they coined it as a way of demonstrating their supposed superior moral consciousness and now they’re stuck with it. Too bad, so sad.

I have always wondered why, however, with their fascination with Fascism and Nazism and propensity for finding nefarious links with almost anything imaginable that no one considered how much the call to be Woke resembles Deutschland erwache!




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The leftists who coined this term intended for it to be a badge of honor, but as the word seeped into the American lexicon, it morphed into a pejorative and nothing but.

Right. That's kinda what I meant. It was intended to show that they were awakened to the "oppression" of capitalism... which they saw as a badge of honor. So, without the original word being "flipped" it meant what they intended.
But, then people caught on to what they meant.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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Thanks for posting. Informative to know the path that got us here is more corrupted than most of the followers know. And yes, the followers of this doctrine are still as stupid as we intuitively knew.


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This was published back in 2020, its still relevant.

No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why.
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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been asked why it is that the Woke won’t seem to have a debate or discussion about their views, and I’ve been meaning to write something about it for ages, probably a year at this point. Surely you’ll have noticed that they don’t tend to engage in debates or conversation?

It is not, as many think, a fear of being exposed as fraudulent or illegitimate—or otherwise of losing the debate or looking bad in the challenging conversation—that prevents those who have internalized a significant amount of the Critical Social Justice Theory mindset that prevents these sorts of things from happening. There’s a mountain of Theoretical reasons that they would avoid all such activities, and even if those are mere rationalizations of a more straightforward fear of being exposed as fraudulent or losing, they are shockingly well-developed and consistent rationalizations that deserve proper consideration and full explanation.

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I posted this guy here before and he seemed to flop. I don't think anyone would disagree with this video though. I encourage you to listen to what he has to say.

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I find all of his videos interesting and well researched.

I did search to see if this was posted before but searching here for "woke" and/or "marxist" is like trying to find the proverbial needle.


I've watched some of Ryan's videos, his work is excellent. Thorough and even handed.




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I don't want to be a buzzkill but the above is the worst paragraph I have read today. It is ungrammatical to the point of incoherence. It is as if it is out of a Doctor of Education thesis from a university that offers minors in obfuscation. I have no idea of the point.


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