July 25, 2018, 09:51 AM
smlsigQuestion for the lawyers regarding the Trump/Cohen recordings
I can't believe this hasn't been discussed (I did search) but here goes..
I understand that the laws on recording people vary from state to state with some requiring both participants to consent and some just requiring one party to consent but the question i have is aren't attorney / client communications privileged?
I just don't understand how Cohen's attorney has leaked this and not gotten into trouble over it, regardless of the content of the discussion...
July 25, 2018, 09:56 AM
jerkyjerLooking for jallen guidance as well.
Is something like this grounds for disbarment?
July 25, 2018, 11:27 AM
JALLENContrary to conventional understanding, few concepts are as riddled with exclusions and exceptions as attorney-client privilege.
The requirements are an attorney, a communication, intent that the communication be confidential and for the purpose of obtaining legal advice from the attorney. No need for being hired, compensation, formalities, etc. The attorney has to be a real attorney, I believe.
The privilege of non disclosure of the communications belongs to the client who alone can waive it. The attorney is expected to preserve his clients secrets at every peril to himself.
In practice, the privilege is often unavailable. Just because your attorney is present, or is the buffer, when you instruct a buffer to push a button on a guy doesn’t mean the communication is privileged. In litigation, the claim of privilege is usually going to be strictly scrutinized. A client can waive the privilege, by disclosure, even inadvertent, I think. Ascertaining the validity of the claim of privilege almost requires revealing the communication!
Not many things are more convoluted and complex.
July 26, 2018, 07:26 PM
Hey PalI believe New York law only requires one participant to a conversation to agree to a recording. With regard to an attorney/client privledge, there is no privledge if a crime was discussed. If no crime, the client could have a claim against the attorney & the attorney’s license could be compromised. In this case, Trump did not object to the release of the recording.
July 26, 2018, 07:47 PM
ChicagoSigManquote:
Originally posted by smlsig:
I can't believe this hasn't been discussed (I did search) but here goes..
I understand that the laws on recording people vary from state to state with some requiring both participants to consent and some just requiring one party to consent but the question i have is aren't attorney / client communications privileged?
I just don't understand how Cohen's attorney has leaked this and not gotten into trouble over it, regardless of the content of the discussion...
In this case, Trump - through his current lawyers - waived attorney/client privilege with respect to the tapes. Most likely he did so that he would be free to respond to leaks and rumors about their contents. He could not talk about them and then try to claim privilege to prevent Cohen or Lanny Davis from talking about them. Not an uncommon move if you feel the material is not particularly damaging.
This does not address the ethical question of an attorney recording his client in the first place, which is actually a complicated question. There is likely no legal issue, though, if both Cohen and Trump were in NY, which is a single-party consent state.
July 26, 2018, 08:49 PM
Hey PalHey, I’m a “Chicago Sig Man” too...