As my Dad would say when we lived in Fullerton

Darn dumb Dodgers

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Originally posted by rsd1220:

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Originally posted by Leemur:
Tinfoil: I swear if Houston wins that it’s obvious pro sports are rigged. 9/11, Patriots win. Hurricane Katrina, Saints win. Hurricane Harvey...

You forgot the 2013 WS Red Sox, post marathon bombing.

That didn't help my Giants in '89.

Still can’t believe it is real! They did it. So glad for these players and the city.

Go Stros!!

HK Ag

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Originally posted by vinnybass:

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Originally posted by rsd1220:

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Originally posted by Leemur:
Tinfoil: I swear if Houston wins that it’s obvious pro sports are rigged. 9/11, Patriots win. Hurricane Katrina, Saints win. Hurricane Harvey...

You forgot the 2013 WS Red Sox, post marathon bombing.

That didn't help my Giants in '89.

Well, it's not like Oakland wasn't affected. There must have been a conspiracy to get both the Bay Area teams in before the earthquake that year!

Not saying what he's claimed is 100% true but this book is an interesting read:

https://www.amazon.com/Persona...candal/dp/061536263X

I'm about 85% through it now. I can definitely see how some sports can be influenced by officiating. Basketball seems to be an easy one because it's such a star driven league and single players can make significant differences. In baseball the guy only gets to bat every 9th time and if the guys in front of him can't get on base, solo home runs aren't very damaging by themselves. I guess a strike zone could be expanded or shrunk.

But a star player on a basketball team can be easily removed from the game by foul trouble.

Dave Roberts management of his pitchers was horrible in my opinion. When I saw that Yu Darvish was going to start game 7 last night, I knew instantly that the Dodgers were doomed. Taking Kershaw out in the 4th inning of the game he started? Stupid. If I remember correctly, no runs were scored by Houston after Darvish was removed, so if Darvish was not in the game at all, the Dodgers could have won 1-0. Poor pitching management.

Dave Roberts apparently went to the Dusty Baker school of "Can't-Manage-Playoff-Pitching."

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Originally posted by wingspar:
Dave Roberts management of his pitchers was horrible in my opinion. When I saw that Yu Darvish was going to start game 7 last night, I knew instantly that the Dodgers were doomed. Taking Kershaw out in the 4th inning of the game he started? Stupid. If I remember correctly, no runs were scored by Houston after Darvish was removed, so if Darvish was not in the game at all, the Dodgers could have won 1-0. Poor pitching management.

That is faulty logic at best. Had Kershaw started who's to say how deep he goes? Astros rocked Jansen almost every time he took the bump. The bottom line is that two well matched teams went toe to toe for 7 games and the Astros came out on top. If they played another 7 game series starting next week the Dodgers could well win 4 out of 7. As humans it's our nature to assign blame as a means to understand our losses and frustrations. In this case it's pointless to try to assign the blame for losing a hard fought 7 game series to one or two decisions or plays. Kudos to both teams, they both played and coached their asses off. It's a shame one of them went home empty handed.

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Originally posted by wingspar:
Dave Roberts management of his pitchers was horrible in my opinion. When I saw that Yu Darvish was going to start game 7 last night, I knew instantly that the Dodgers were doomed. Taking Kershaw out in the 4th inning of the game he started? Stupid. If I remember correctly, no runs were scored by Houston after Darvish was removed, so if Darvish was not in the game at all, the Dodgers could have won 1-0. Poor pitching management.

Not necessarily.

Darvish had a pattern with the Rangers of starting with several rough innings, then get settled down and be very effective. That makes the games he starts more exciting!

A couple of runs is not too big a deal, but 5 in the first is very tough.

Wasn’t Kershaw tken out for a hitter?

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
"World Series CHAMPION Houston Astros." Has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

"World Champs" would be fitting, if there were teams outside of North America competing.

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Originally posted by Floyd D. Barber:
"World Champs" would be fitting, if there were teams outside of North America competing.

Are you refusing to recognize the country of New New Mexico?

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Originally posted by TXJIM:
That is faulty logic at best. Had Kershaw started who's to say how deep he goes? Astros rocked Jansen almost every time he took the bump. The bottom line is that two well matched teams went toe to toe for 7 games and the Astros came out on top. If they played another 7 game series starting next week the Dodgers could well win 4 out of 7. As humans it's our nature to assign blame as a means to understand our losses and frustrations. In this case it's pointless to try to assign the blame for losing a hard fought 7 game series to one or two decisions or plays. Kudos to both teams, they both played and coached their asses off. It's a shame one of them went home empty handed.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Not necessarily.

Darvish had a pattern with the Rangers of starting with several rough innings, then get settled down and be very effective. That makes the games he starts more exciting!

A couple of runs is not too big a deal, but 5 in the first is very tough.

Wasn’t Kershaw tken out for a hitter?

I’m a huge Giants fan, so I saw the Dodgers quite a bit during the regular season. Kershaw is only human and can indeed have a bad game, but he was pitching the game he started very well and I still don’t understand why Roberts took him out in the 4th inning. He was gambling with Darvish in game 7 and lost when he had other options. Just my opinion. I was neither a Dodger or Astros fan. I wanted to see 7 games and I saw that. I still think Roberts made some poor pitching decisions.

It’s common for good starting pitchers to have a rough 1st and or 2nd inning and settle down, but the World Series isn’t the place to allow that to happen. I still say it cost the Dodgers the World Series. All in all, great series. Didn’t matter to me who won, but being fairly familiar with the Dodgers, I still say it was poorly managed.

Roberts made decisions that had they worked would have been genius.

But in hindsight are questionable at best

In game 2, up 3-1 on Justin Verlander, he takes out Rich Hill, whose only earned run was a solo shot, and goes to his bullpen early. Which meant Kenley Jansen now had to pitch two innings instead of one, and he blew his first ninth inning lead of the season. The astros are a fantastic offensive team, so maybe they score anyway. I'm convinced Roberts increased those chances by overusing players in places they weren't accustomed to (fwiw, I'm a dodgers fan, and that is where I think the series was lost)

Darvish was terrible against the astros as a ranger this year. Different team, I get starting him in game 3. But same results. Which is when Roberts should have gone "nope, still terrible against the astros, have a seat Yu, we are going another route"


Personally, I think Roberts should have started Alex Wood, who held the astros to 2 runs in Houston and was on 4 days rest (having pitched game 4, with the off day). Even the game Wood lost to the Cubs was 3-2 and all the Cubs runs were solo home runs. The knock on wood was he doesn't give up a lot of hits, but a lot of the hits he does give up are home runs. If You stifle the astros offense, and just give up solo shots, you win. You then bring Kershaw in to replace Wood in the 4th or 5th until you can get to your bullpen at the right time

It sucks, because I waited 29 years for this, but astros fans just got their first, and I can live with that

Just hope it's not another 29 yeara

Roberts is a good example of a manager that relies to heavily on analytics. Ok for the regular season, death for the post season. He probably lost 2 of the WS games for the Dodgers.