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I don't blame them one bit for thinking of their own families, the government there seems intent on screwing them and not caring if they go cold this winter:

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Imported Energy Crisis Sees Wood Burning Stoves, Dry Firewood Sell Out in Germany

OLIVER JJ LANE
Breibart
2 Jul 2022

While the German government prevaricates around its self-imposed energy crisis, citizens are taking matters into their own hands to keep themselves warm this coming winter with sales of cheap, reliable wood burners soaring in Europe.

After years of being warned from abroad — not least by U.S. President Donald Trump — against relying on a belligerent Russia for a great proportion of their domestic energy, the hammer has dropped for Germany with Russia turning off the taps of natural gas supply.

Seeing their Red-led ‘traffic light’ coalition government paralysed by divisions in the environmentalist Greens and the pro-business Yellows, many Germans are taking matters into their own hands by falling back on traditional, decentralised heat sources.

But, reduced to the status of a niche source of energy for predominantly rural communities, supplies of new furnaces and wood to power them has failed to keep up with demand.

Indeed, demand for wood-burning stoves “exploded” in Germany after Russia invaded Ukraine, a spokesman for a German association of heating installers said. In further comments reported by the Frankfurter Allgemeine, there has been a comparable surge in purchases of firewood in the same period, so says the head of the Federal Firewood Association.

The rush on wood-burning appliances is so pronounced the waiting time for some is a year, with no hope of delivery for this winter. While wood burners are made in Germany, there are shortages of individual components and materials, including parts that come from Communist China.

This shortage of stoves is extending across the whole of Europe, the spokesman said.

There has been so much demand for firewood in the past months that it is effectively sold out in Germany. As the FA article notes, there is no shortage of actual trees in Germany but air-drying cut wood so it is suitable for home burning takes two years naturally. The process can be sped up with forced air, but this uses increasingly expensive electricity to power fans, pushing up the price — and there aren’t enough businesses doing this to keep up with demand anyway.

Firewood Association spokesman Gerd Müller said of the shortage: “It’s almost impossible to get dry firewood this year”. Bulk pelletised burning wood used in automated burners has doubled in price in a year, the report states. Nevertheless, it is still cheaper than burning natural gas, which has soared in price to a-historical levels due to Russia’s war in Ukraine and been exacerbated by a lack of forethought and contingency planning by governments depending on such resources.

The news that wood burner and dried timber sales are soaring to the point of the market being exhausted by demand is likely to set alarm bells ringing among the environmentalist establishment that rules Germany and the rest of the European Union, however.

Simple home stoves have been in the sights of green activists for years, and some governments are even moving to ban or heavily restrict them, forcing citizens to stick with energy prices that government incompetence and global events have seen soar.

In the United Kingdom, the nominally Conservative government of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, which is actually pursuing an aggressively statist green political programme while sailing under right-wing colours, is trying to ban much home burning altogether.

As reported, homeowners would no longer be able to buy basics like coal or wet wood, which the government asserts is bad for the environment.

While burning wet wood is certainly not as good as dry, as Germany’s experience in the midst of an energy shock where the prospect of rationed gas and electricity looms for the coming winter, it may transpire it is all that is available. The United Kingdom has also banned stoves from being sold that don’t comply with strict regulations on emissions, although as the Daily Telegraph reported earlier this year the figures the government used to justify its bans may not have been accurate, so stoves may be considerably less polluting than claimed.

Similar moves are afoot in the Republic of Ireland, where the government is trying to ban the burning of peat, a region-specific traditional fossil fuel that has kept rural Irish homes warm for centuries. The timing — coming in the middle of a Europe-wide fuel shortage — is remarkable, but perhaps no less remarkable than Germany deciding to press on with shutting down the enormous energy-producing potential of its remaining nuclear power plants just as Russia cuts off its supply of natural gas.


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Coming soon to America.
 
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They’ll end up burning their Jerker (yes, an actual IKEA name!) and Fahrfignugen IKEA furniture this winter there.

This coming winter in Europe is going to be… Interesting.

And you watch, it will probably be like the coldest one in 100 years. Eek


 
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Does anyone else see the irony that their green energy death march has lead the proletariat to the least green and very polluting form of heating: burning wood.

Furthermore, not only is wood the most polluting and least efficient thing around, they have to cut down trees to use it.

You couldn't ask for greater irony.

The UN and the West have spent billions of dollars in foreign aid trying to get the rest of the developing world to stop using wood, and now some of us are right back there because we've gone suicidally insane.

This post is rhetorical, of course. I know the answer.


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Are coal and coal burning furnaces available?

"... exacerbated by a lack of forethought and contingency planning by governments ..."
Sounds just like old Joe's approach here in the US. Big Grin



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Coming soon to America.


Well, we have at least a 2-year supply of good dry, split and stacked hardwood in the back yard. Don't know how it is in Germany now with respect to firewood, but I spent 11+ years there, my Father-in-Law was a lifelong, professional forester so I got to know the "ins and outs" of the forestry "business". Back then, very little of the forests were public property.

You could buy firewood from the government, you could not go into the woods and start hauling out firewood. I doubt, seriously, that they can do so now.

I helped cut, split and stack firewood for my in-laws' use several times there. Fought a couple of wildfires, too.


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There's a new popular outlaw in Germany - Robin Wood!

He cuts down trees and gives to the poor...
Robin Wood...
Robin Wood...
Robin Wood...

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I thought they were trying to ban woodstoves in Germany? My woodpile goes out at least 2 years.


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I see one advantage on living in H town this winter.
 
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Freezing to death? A small price to pay for moral superiority.
 
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but perhaps no less remarkable than Germany deciding to press on with shutting down the enormous energy-producing potential of its remaining nuclear power plants just as Russia cuts off its supply of natural gas.



Why? Why would you press on and shut down one of the cleanest sources of energy when you’re facing a shortage of energy?

Throw out the baby with the bath water I suppose?



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First and foremost... wood burning does not have to be unfriendly to the environment. wood can be burned clean if you have the right stove installed properly and understand the principles of combustion. On top of that wood is a readily renewable resource as compared to coal, oil, gas or even uranium. and burning wood puts out the same CO2 as if the tree was dead and laying in the forest.

The one problem I see with the story is they don't point out that in Germany the stoves MUST be installed by a specific contractor and they are going to have to be checked... inspected and maintained by a chimney sweep about every two months.

Getting your chimney checked and swept is not an option in Germany... it is required. Urban legion is the German Chimney Sweeps have Hitler to thank for this... who better to 'check on' every citizen and what was going on in their home than the chimney sweep? Lots of pictures of Hitler with chimney sweeps.


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This isn't the first time for Germans. In 2010 in a complete over reaction to the Fukushima accident the German government shut down a bunch of nuclear reactors, and of course tried to take up the slack with green renewables. The price of electricity spiked to the point that 600,000 German households had their service shut off due to lack of payment. The publication Der Speigel coined the phrase energy poverty out of this mess. And, did the German people vote accordingly. Nope. Continued to vote for the politicians that did this, and for their reward the politicians are going to make the same mistake. Now in the wake of the Russia situation Germans are trying to think ahead. Do I have faith the Germans are going to start to vote for different people. No. Same is true for this country. Never underestimate the ability of people to endure hardship for the sake of ideology. People of California have been voting against their best interest for decades.


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Now if someone just had a wood burning quick charger for those "clean" electric cars.
Maybe this will help out bicycle sales.


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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
First and foremost... wood burning does not have to be unfriendly to the environment. wood can be burned clean if you have the right stove installed properly and understand the principles of combustion. On top of that wood is a readily renewable resource as compared to coal, oil, gas or even uranium. and burning wood puts out the same CO2 as if the tree was dead and laying in the forest.

The one problem I see with the story is they don't point out that in Germany the stoves MUST be installed by a specific contractor and they are going to have to be checked... inspected and maintained by a chimney sweep about every two months.

Getting your chimney checked and swept is not an option in Germany... it is required. Urban legion is the German Chimney Sweeps have Hitler to thank for this... who better to 'check on' every citizen and what was going on in their home than the chimney sweep? Lots of pictures of Hitler with chimney sweeps.


Wood stoves can be installed by anyone in Germany.
But they do need an official check and approval before use.
The chimney sweep is usually performed 2 times per year and yes, it’s not optional.

And yes, our energie politics are fubar.
 
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I'm in eastern Germany now and have had the radio on in the car for my long drives. There is lots of talk about people being required to lower their thermostats for the coming winter and the same for commercial buildings. Glad I'll be back in AZ by then.
 
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If you've ever been to rural Ireland you'll never forget the wonderful smell of burning turf (peat).


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