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How about gas-powered airplane flights into/out-of/over CA airspace? Goodbye LAX. Or do they have a plan to develop electric aircraft?

Air traffic in/out of LAX and SFO will be by helium balloon.

Maybe someone might want to ask his highness what he plans to do about all those fuel/petro taxes CA will no longer have available to them. Funny, I thought Cali had a bit of a revenue issue right now.

Look, this is nothing but Newsome trying to prostitute himself for future elected office. This nitwit has aspirations of a move to Washington DC someday. As for his ban of fossil fuel cars....ain't never gonna happen.

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Originally posted by az4783054:
Imagine the reliability of emergency vehicles (fire trucks, LE, ambulances, governors executive security) that run on electricity only. Then there's that pesky trucking industry that ca depends on.

ca may end up with many older non compliant vehicles being kept on the roads.

And you can bet there's going to be exemptions for certain groups of people.

Commercial big rigs will be the the first mandated to switch in the near future, their requirements are already daunting for the current rigs. My best friend works for CA DOT and they've been testing the Tesla big-rig tractors and a few other brands. Major fleet operators like UPS, FedEx, WalMart, Target and Amazon are all apart of the move as they're constantly looking for big rigs with enough torque to get over the mountain passes. CHP is heavily involved in the autonomy studies & research as their issue is big-rig accidents and traffic management.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Manufacturing companies have known this was coming, they have people in place in CA working with CARB and legislators.

It's one of the largest car markets in the world, so thinking that GM, Ford, Toyota, Fiat are going to ignore them is a mistake, CA will get what they legislate.

This is true. All the major auto manufacturers have electric vehicles lined-up for the next 10-years. I know Volvo is shooting for 50% of the line to be EV's and the remainder hybrids shortly. Other brands have had their executives working with CA DOT and CARB on their compliance regs. Newsome putting a date down pretty much gives manufacturers a target date.

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Mexico is going to crank up some big coal fired plants to sell power to california. Remember in CA it's not about being green, it's about how green you look...

CA already buys are fair amount of energy from Palo Verde nuclear plant in AZ, the largest in the US.

Like Germany, who has aggressively worked to close it's nuclear and coal plants in a green energy push, and replaced with windmill farms and other renewables - never mind that the energy shortfall is made up for by buying nuclear generated energy from France (major nuclear user) and natural gas from Russia. It's all about the green charade


Biggest problem, beside the higher upfront costs of EV/hybrid vehicles is the infrastructure isn't there. Its bad enough CA PUC directs its energy providers with mixed signals about infrastructure improvements and renewable investments; households and municipal electrical trunk-lines aren't set-up to support this move.

I wonder if this has anything to do with Musk’s threat to move Tesla.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Maybe someone might want to ask his highness what he plans to do about all those fuel/petro taxes CA will no longer have available to them.

Oh they have this issued covered.

For the past couple of years there's been a push to have greater annual registration fees for green cars since they aren't paying a fuel tax like a petrol vehicle however that's not their wet dream.

Rather, they have already toyed with the idea that they dangled a few years ago - a GPS tracker of sorts to keep track of the miles and then when you do your annual registration you pay a fee for the miles driven.

People were naturally upset that a GPS would be placed on their car by government order and the abuses that would could follow. Leaders said it wouldn't be used for that but no one believed them. The counter was that why not just get the odometer reading at each registration and do it that way. Government largely dropped the idea but they still are in love with tracking.

Stuipd is as stupid does., where do these idiots think that these vehicles will be able to recharge the storeage bank on said vehicles? Are they going to force fueling stations to convert to electric? are they going to force the local government agencies to supply and support these re=feuling stations? Where are all of the needed fueling station going to come from? Where is all of this new needed electric energy coming from and who will be generating it? What about the time frame needed to re=fuel a electric vehicle vs a gas powered vehicle ? Are they going to force individual home owners to supply their own station at their own cost? What about apartments/condo"s dwellers. will they be required to supply a fuel site? Will California residents be allowed to travel outside of state to purchase gas vehicle and be allowed to register said vehicle in California. If they want all of these changes let them become a seperate country and the rest of the country can ignore them and Refuse to supply any foreign aid in any way/shape/form. Well hopefully get what they want and let them eat their cake while they destroy themselves. Good luck because you are going to need it. ........................................ drill sgt.

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They have the worst electrical grid in the country, at least that is what I have been told my friends who live there. Great. Thanks Gov. Dickhead. More of your fucking loony toon liberal fucktards will come here now and it’s already been overrun by libtard jack wagon fuck stick Kalifornians. Fuck me. Man I can’t wait to leave Texas.

Can't wait until CA has a roster of approved vehicles; but people moving into CA can bring their gas-powered vehicles and sell them for 4 x MSRP.

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OTOH there's this:

Tesla Plaid sedan, 0-60 in 2 seconds, sub-9 1/4 mile, fastest production vehicle around Laguna Seca, 500 mile range (claims Elon)

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Originally posted by sjtill:
Can't wait until CA has a roster of approved vehicles; but people moving into CA can bring their gas-powered vehicles and sell them for 4 x MSRP.

You're gas tank must be modified to hold 10 gallons of gas or less and, you'll need to go through a background check to buy additional gas.

Oh, if you don't have a California ID, you'll need a resident to buy the gas for you (but keep it on the down low, that's a straw purchase and you both can realize some pretty extensive fines so, shhhh )

Load up on the 2034's. They're gonna be gold!

It's no skin off their teeth. As long as they all have to do it, they probably prefer it that way.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Electric cars are easier to manufacture, and when the parts supply scales up, likely cheaper also. Far less parts, and much less labor needed to assemble. The UAW is actively freaking about this.

The oil companies OTOH...

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Originally posted by Appliance Brad:
Hey the Big 3 coulda stopped this a couple years ago if they had just done a Ronnie Barrett and said we aren't selling vehicles in California to anyone. Nope, they rolled over and pissed in the air.

So now we get this.

And in 2040 all gas stations are banned, since they won't be needed.

I guess the song Red Barchetta will finally
come true !

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Originally posted by chellim1:
They can't even keep the lights on in California ...
What are they going to do, buy everyone a horse?

But horses emit CO2 and CH4, they are not carbon neutral. They will have to be regulated, outfitted with chemical filters to be carbon neutral.

Curious what the mix of economics-technology-politics might bring to the table in the next 15 years. Seems the history is that CA's "eco-friendly efforts backfire.

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Originally posted by sjtill:
Can't wait until CA has a roster of approved vehicles; but people moving into CA can bring their gas-powered vehicles and sell them for 4 x MSRP.

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OTOH there's this:

Tesla Plaid sedan, 0-60 in 2 seconds, sub-9 1/4 mile, fastest production vehicle around Laguna Seca, 500 mile range (claims Elon)

But how often will that Tesla crash when on auto-pilot??

But no matter, is there anyone moving IN to CA these days??

2024 CARB regulations are over and above the EPA enough that some of the commercial diesel market will move to 49-state solutions and stop selling new trucks in CA. 2024 EPA is not even about pollution (particulates and NOx), it's about CO2 targets, which really is a roundabout way to regulate increases in fuel economy.

Battery electric Class 8 tractor rigs currently have about 30 miles range on a charge when hauling a full load, so port to local warehouse is about all they can do. Charging takes time so they can't run multiple trips without delay. Hydrogen fuel cells are an option that will allow more range and refills but the infrastructure for hydrogen refueling need major safeguards, to say it lightly.

It's going to be interesting to see if anything viable is developed. Diesel trucks have a long life span and the engines can be rebuilt more than once, so the existing fleet will be in service for quite some time.

The powertrain assembly line integrators (I know all of the majors) are all working on battery lines and promoting their capabilities. All of the major automakers are going to have electric cars to sell in CA and the rest of the US. Tesla cracked the code to the consumer electric market and took an early lead. But once the majors get ramped up with competitive products, Tesla's quality and manufacturing issues will be a much bigger issue. Tesla's Super Charger infrastructure is a competitive advantage, but I can see Tesla becoming a technology development and licensing company, with volume manufacturing being done by those who know how to do it best. The Model 3 launch was a disaster. Large scale manufacturing equipment project management disciplines were absent and they got through it by brute force, doing a lot of things manually instead of with the automation they couldn't get to work.

The industry shift is so big a major supplier of machining lines that make engine blocks and heads said they aren't getting much new business.

With the likes of AOC claiming climate change will be the end of the planet in under 12 years, why bother with this, unless this is evidence of that scam?

How long does it take to charge an electric vehicle? I bet it's not as quick as filling the tank on my ranger at the gas station

Also, what is the life span on the batteries? How much will they cost to replace when they fail? Do they develop a memory?

I bet it will work, the way California is going, everyone living there will be homeless by 2035 and not need cards.

On a serious note, their power grid cannot even keep up with the electricity usage now. Typical Democrat nonsense, acting without thinking.

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Originally posted by Plugugly:
How long does it take to charge an electric vehicle? I bet it's not as quick as filling the tank on my ranger at the gas station

Also, what is the life span on the batteries? How much will they cost to replace when they fail? Do they develop a memory?

Good points.

I might ask, what is the negative environmental impact on the manufacture and disposal of such batteries? What is the source of electricity used to charge the batteries, and related environmental impact?

Sidenote on the CA High Speed Rail. The promise was San Francisco to Los Angeles in less time and money then air travel, and it will be financially self supporting when in operation. PLUS, the train will be electric, will not emit deadly pollutants like jets do. A win-win for everyone. ( )

Then reality hit, the rail has to cross fault lines, the cost of land in the Bay Area is too high. Add the cost (waste) of bureaucracy and crony gov't contracting. So now the high speed rail will go from Bakersfield to Merced(how much passenger traffic is there from Bakersfield to Merced??) will require continual taxpayer subsidies. So, a lose-lose for everyone, except politicians and their cronies.