They couldn't provide worse service if they tried.

They had a company that was located in the local grocery stores that you could ship packages from.

Local postmaster thought that was a bad idea. Now the entire city has to go to one postoffice that doesnt even have a parking lot. There is never a time that there isnt a line thirty people deep. so stupid. I will never use them again

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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Originally posted by jljones:
This would reflect a pay to play service that supported by those who use it. Instead of the welfare service it is. The thing I have noticed is that those who support keeping the post office open also support using someone else’s money to pay for it.

What? What are you talking about? Who else's money is supporting the Post Office. Give me some examples of those who support using someone else's money to pay for it.

Thank you for putting a really fine point on one of the biggest issues with postal service unions and the postal service as a whole. They can’t comprehend that they are funded with other peoples money. The taxpayers.


You can’t comprehend that it costs way more than .50 or whatever to send junk mail to everyone. Don’t believe me? The FedEx or UPS app is free. You can calculate what it costs to send a letter sized parcel anywhere in the world. (Hint: it’s way more than .50 cents or whatever).

But, no. It’s magic money. It doesn’t really belong to anyone. And if you want another indicator that it is a pork laden corrupt organization, you can look at the first post in this thread to see evidence that it costs way more than what is being charged to the consumer. The postal service blows through the money they are given, and they just come back with their hand out for more of other peoples money.

If I send a letter to my neighbor, it travels 200 miles to be “processed” to be returned in a week next door. If a postal service vehicle gets wrecked (even if driveable) if is trailered and towed 200 miles away for repair. If they receive complaints that they are delivering the wrong mail, they are so corrupt that there is no “or else” for incompetence. They will still get paid with other peoples money.

It is way beyond time to drastically neuter the postal service and their spending problem. And ts it is always someone else’s fault for the way things are. No private business would be ran like this. And you’ve already admitted the corruption has been around since the 60s and 70s.

If you raise the cost of junk mail and mail period to what it actually costs the service to deliver it billed to the consumer sending it, you will 1- reduce taxpayer (other peoples money) burden, and 2- reduce the amount of unwanted mail due to the burden on the sender of the cost. This will reduce the need for all large portion of employees, infrastructure, vehicles, and number of days of service.

It’s simple economics that places like FedEx and UPS have figured out.

I suspect USPS has been deliberately ran into the ground over the years so companies like Amazon can eventually take over at some point and replace good paying jobs with decent benefits with low part-time wages and zero benefits. I would much rather see USPS returned to its former glory and support hard working middle class americans but we know that is not going to happen.

Reminds me of the way large parts of California have been turned to shit holes to drive people out of the state allowing developers to snatch up property that few would have ever parted with otherwise.

I guarantee the real power behind this DEI bullshit doesn't give a damn about DEI. They have long term financial motives and use an army of useful idiots to push their agenda.

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I suspect USPS has been deliberately ran into the ground over the years so companies like Amazon can eventually take over at some point and replace good paying jobs with decent benefits with low part-time wages and zero benefits.

I hate Amazon... but I don't think they are behind the mismanagement of the post office.

I got this list from Google and it appears to be accurate as I recall these issues. These are the key reasons for the financial problems the Post Service faces:

"Declining Mail Volume: The rise of digital communication has significantly reduced the volume of profitable First-Class mail.

Congressional Mandates: A 2006 law required the USPS to pre-fund retiree health benefits decades in advance, creating massive, unique financial obligations, which were only repealed in 2022.

Rising Operational Costs: Expenses, particularly compensation and benefits for workers, have consistently outpaced revenue growth.

Universal Service Obligation: The mandate to deliver to every address in the U.S. six days a week creates high costs for servicing remote areas.

Limited Pricing Flexibility: Congress often restricts the ability of the USPS to adjust postage rates to match operating costs.

Increased Competition: Private competitors like Amazon and UPS have taken market share, especially in the last-mile delivery segment."

You will notice that Congress has a great deal to do with the decline of the Postal Service. Comments like why does the letter I mail to my neighbor have to go to a distribution facility 200 miles away just to come back to your next door neighbor a few days later show the ignorance that some people have regarding how mail gets processed. Maybe there should be a Post Office on every street corner. Yeah, that would save some money huh?

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Originally posted by Ogie:


You will notice that Congress has a great deal to do with the decline of the Postal Service.

Comments like why does the letter I mail to my neighbor have to go to a distribution facility 200 miles away just to come back to your next door neighbor a few days later show the ignorance that some people have regarding how mail gets processed. Maybe there should be a Post Office on every street corner. Yeah, that would save some money huh?

I know, I know. It’s always someone else’s fault.

So to be clear, are you saying that mail here doesn’t really travel to Evansville for processing or they are sitting on the mail amd lying about the postmark? Can’t be both.

And also to be clear, when we work a wreck with a postal service employee in a government vehicle, and it can’t be removed from the scene by a local wrecker service (despite it being drivable) the trailer isn’t going to Evansville as well? They are lying about that too?

The taxpayers are just a bunch of ignorant rubes that can’t read post marks or a calendar. What maroons.

(Up till a while ago, we had a processing center here. It was closed and transferred to Evansville. But, don’t worry not a single job was lost as reported by the local fish wrap. They still have all the same building as well. I guess that’s “cost cutting” to union employees)

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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I suspect USPS has been deliberately ran into the ground over the years so companies like Amazon can eventually take over at some point and replace good paying jobs with decent benefits with low part-time wages and zero benefits.

I hate Amazon... but I don't think they are behind the mismanagement of the post office.

Where exactly did I say Amazon was behind it, chellim1?

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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I suspect USPS has been deliberately ran into the ground over the years so companies like Amazon can eventually take over at some point and replace good paying jobs with decent benefits with low part-time wages and zero benefits.

I hate Amazon... but I don't think they are behind the mismanagement of the post office.

Yeah, I’ve read some crazy tinfoil conspiracies, and that one ranks right up there. Lol.

ETA: No no no, it’s not Amazon. It’s a bunch of secret boardroom boogie men behind it.

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Originally posted by 12131:
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ETA: No no no, it’s not Amazon. It’s a bunch of secret boardroom boogie men behind it.

My only point is it wouldn't surprise me if there was a behind the scenes lobbying effort to have it privatized. Educate yourself, Jackass.

AI Overview

"Yes, there is a long-standing, well-documented behind-the-scenes lobbying effort by certain corporate interests and conservative think tanks to privatize the United States Postal Service (USPS).
The push for privatization is primarily driven by interests looking to capture the profitable parts of the postal network (like package delivery) while leaving the cost-heavy obligations (like rural delivery) to the public sector."

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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I suspect USPS has been deliberately ran into the ground over the years so companies like Amazon can eventually take over at some point and replace good paying jobs with decent benefits with low part-time wages and zero benefits.

I hate Amazon... but I don't think they are behind the mismanagement of the post office.

Yeah, I’ve read some crazy tinfoil conspiracies, and that one ranks right up there. Lol.

ETA: No no no, it’s not Amazon. It’s a bunch of secret boardroom boogie men behind it.

I mean at least Amazon would run it like a business instead of the hobby lemonade stand that it is currently being ran as.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
My only point is it wouldn't surprise me if there was a behind the scenes lobbying effort to have it privatized. Educate yourself, Jackass.

AI Overview

"Yes, there is a long-standing, well-documented behind-the-scenes lobbying effort by certain corporate interests and conservative think tanks to privatize the United States Postal Service (USPS).
The push for privatization is primarily driven by interests looking to capture the profitable parts of the postal network (like package delivery) while leaving the cost-heavy obligations (like rural delivery) to the public sector."

Ah, AI Overview. That settles it. So, pray tell, which external groups, and how, other than USPS incompetence destroying itself, have been “deliberately running USPS to the ground over the years”? Hint: You can’t run USPS to the ground by lobbying efforts.

You made the claim. It’s your job to educate others.

Signed,

Jackass

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
I suspect USPS has been deliberately ran into the ground over the years so companies like Amazon can eventually take over at some point...

From my perspective, the destruction of the USPS is entirely an inside job, and from the ground level. Where I live, we have dealt with lazy, entitled employees who do not care whether they do their jobs, or do them well. The number of lost and late pieces of mail seems to be growing.And I have watched our home mail person actually throw a package onto our front porch rather than drag her lazy butt up two steps and lay the package down.

We have also dealt with criminal behavior inside our post office where checks are stolen, "washed" and cashed with inside cooperation. We have essentially eliminated almost all checks at our company in favor of ACH transfers.

We send almost no mail anymore, preferring email or the use of private delivery instead. All of this comes from incompetence, laziness, indifference and criminal behavior at the lowest levels.


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Fucking AI...

The push for privatization often promoted by conservatives is in the interest of having the USPS stand on it's own two feet, be profitable, or at least break even, and thus, NOT lose Billions annually! Nobody is 'looking to capture the profitable parts' of the USPS, and we don't another package delivery entity in this country anyway. The USPS is grossly mismanaged gov't boondoggle that's desperately needs fixing. It's long past the time to either reform it in place (incredibly unlikely!), or find the solution from the private sector, perhaps some sort of public private partnership. Regardless, it should NO longer be permitted to continue in it's current state, seemingly existing to deliver junk mail, provide union jobs and be a HUGE financial drain on the US taxpayer!

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Originally posted by 12131:


You made the claim . It’s your job to educate others.

Signed,

Jackass

I said "suspect". Get it right.


Looks like you don't understand the difference between claim and suspect. I'll help you out again.

"Claiming something is not the same as suspecting it. Claiming is the act of asserting or stating something as fact, often with an intention to prove it, whereas suspecting is imagining or feeling something is true, wrong, or existent without solid evidence".

It's not my job to educate you on lobbying efforts concerning the takeover of the USPS. Do you own research. You'll find plenty of information.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

My only point is it wouldn't surprise me if there was a behind the scenes lobbying effort to have it privatized. Educate yourself, Jackass.

AI may eventually be a reliable source for information, but it is a long way from that now. For the time being, it is simply garbage-in, garbage-out. You might as well use Wikipedia.

And calling a fellow poster a jackass, especially a long time, well-respected poster like 12131, isn't the way to conduct yourself here.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:


And calling a fellow poster a jackass, especially a long time, well-respected poster like 12131, isn't the way to conduct yourself here.

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Neither is posting something like "crazy tinfoil conspiracies" for stating an opinion. There were so many other ways 12131 could have responded but chose not to.

Sometimes things become obsolete, and we need to let them die - like the fax machine. Or for many of us, the land line.

Why prop of the corpse of one of the most poorly run delivery services known to mankind. I know its jobs and fringe benefits for a whole bunch of folks but I'm not interested in paying more for their service.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
I said "suspect". Get it right.


Looks like you don't understand the difference between claim and suspect. I'll help you out again.

"Claiming something is not the same as suspecting it. Claiming is the act of asserting or stating something as fact, often with an intention to prove it, whereas suspecting is imagining or feeling something is true, wrong, or existent without solid evidence".

It's not my job to educate you on lobbying efforts concerning the takeover of the USPS. Do you own research. You'll find plenty of information.

When you can’t win, pretend you’re an English teacher and misdirect. LMAO.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Ogie:


You will notice that Congress has a great deal to do with the decline of the Postal Service.

Comments like why does the letter I mail to my neighbor have to go to a distribution facility 200 miles away just to come back to your next door neighbor a few days later show the ignorance that some people have regarding how mail gets processed. Maybe there should be a Post Office on every street corner. Yeah, that would save some money huh?

I know, I know. It’s always someone else’s fault.

So to be clear, are you saying that mail here doesn’t really travel to Evansville for processing or they are sitting on the mail amd lying about the postmark? Can’t be both.

And also to be clear, when we work a wreck with a postal service employee in a government vehicle, and it can’t be removed from the scene by a local wrecker service (despite it being drivable) the trailer isn’t going to Evansville as well? They are lying about that too?

The taxpayers are just a bunch of ignorant rubes that can’t read post marks or a calendar. What maroons.

(Up till a while ago, we had a processing center here. It was closed and transferred to Evansville. But, don’t worry not a single job was lost as reported by the local fish wrap. They still have all the same building as well. I guess that’s “cost cutting” to union employees)

To be clear, I did not state that your mail doesn't go to Evansville. That should have been clear. I am surprised that that confused you. In case you missed my point, the point was that it is not economical to have so many postal facilities or local employees that could process the local mail from the other outgoing mail and have it never leave your area.

I don't know how your local Post Office operates but normally there is a contract facility that repairs Postal vehicles if the nearest VMF(Vehicle Maintenance Facility) is more than fifty miles away. Why would a wrecked postal vehicle be towed somewhere locally? To incur a storage expense until the Post Office could have it picked up? I guess I am a little confused by that. So you are saying that if a postal vehicle is involved in an accident and is blocking an intersection that the vehicle would have to sit there until someone 200 miles away could come and move it?

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Originally posted by 12131:

When you can’t win, pretend you’re an English teacher and misdirect. LMAO.

Is winning what this is about for you, 12131?

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Originally posted by 12131:
other than USPS incompetence destroying itself

Sorry if I don't buy into the theory that incompetence alone is what is destroying USPS. My personal opinion is it's being allowed to fail.