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Originally posted by yanici:
Looks like he was cuffed with his hands in the front after seeing the video.

He certainly had his hands in front in the video when he shot the officer.

But whether he was originally cuffed in the front, or was cuffed behind his back and later managed to work his hands around to the front, is purely speculation.

Looked like a small caliber gun. Silver Jennings/Ravin/Lorcin/Bryco whatever type? Maybe a .25 or or even a .22?

Wait. I thought Black Lives Matter? That boy is going to have a real problem when they find him. Bet they don't handle him with kid gloves, either.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by yanici:
Looks like he was cuffed with his hands in the front after seeing the video.

He certainly had his hands in front in the video when he shot the officer.

But whether he was originally cuffed in the front, or was cuffed behind his back and later managed to work his hands around to the front, is purely speculation.

Local news reports that dash cam footage from the arrest showed that he was cuffed in the back.

If you were to cuff me, behind the back, palm to palm, I can have my hands in front of me in approx 5 seconds.

Properly cuffed back of hand to back of hand it would take me a bit longer. I would say in the neighborhood of 20 seconds, depending on clothes worn.

If a simple nylon or polyester strap with Velcro was applied above my elbows, simply holding my elbows in a couple inches, I would be still be as comfortable as one can be cuffed, but it would be impossible to get my hands in front of me.

We always have someone second check a search.

I just searched a car after four other people searched it and I found the gun we were looking for. I’m not worried about damaging stuff. I will pry everything open that’s possible.

A cuffed prisoner here in Croydon, part of South-west Greater London, shoot his custody sergeant dead back in September.

Somehow he also managed to try and kill himself. Sadly he didn't succeed.

https://news.sky.com/story/pol...outh-london-12081007

When they catch him...after he's cuffed shoot him in the head as an extra precaution this time.

When transporting someone I had arrested, I cuffed them in the back and double locked same. I then seated them in the rear seat and "belted" them in. This minimized, not eliminated, their ability to release the seat-belt and move the cuffs to the front of their body.

If transporting within my municipality, I tried to continually "eye-ball" the perp while being followed to PD by fellow officer. If transporting to county correctional facility we had a second officer present in vehicle who was responsible for prisoner security.

Not meant to Monday morning quarterback here....

Video is quite sobering.

Hopefully they'll be able to reconstruct the whole chain of events (no, absolutely not a pun) and draw a useful training/policy point from it.

I've had to "readjust restraints" during transports, most recently because the prisoner was a douchebag and just wanted to prove he could slip the cuffs to the front.

I had a 1.75" heavy leather belt made with a large metal riveted 'D' ring on the back, opposite the buckle. The hinged cuffs attached to the 'D' ring. They were seat belted in.

I worked alone so they were thoroughly searched. I placed their belongings in a cloth bag. If they spit, they had a spit bag over their head.

I removed the prisoners shoes which made potential running more difficult.

I made an adjustable ratcheting belt to go around the prisoners knees. The belt had a large sealed bundle of nylon strap that went outside the bottom of the door so the prisoners knees were pulled tight against the door panel.

All prisoners were treated in this manner. I never had a prisoner escape nor do damage to my assigned semi marked Mustang. Most of them were to interested in being in the front seat of a 5.0L Mustang anyway.

Yeah, if I were having to do front-seat single officer transports, I'd have all those extra safety nets as well.

With a rear seat and a cage it's safely doable with less, but still no substitute for proper cuffing, seat belting, and monitoring.

I saw to many officers/investigators who became complacent when the prisoner was behind a cage in the back seat. That resulted in finding contraband under the front and back seats that was missed, attempted escapes, damaged cars and fighting to get the prisoner out to re-secure the prisoner in the manner the prisoner should have been secured in the first place.