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Brent Bozell
February 22, 2018

Special counsel Robert Mueller has indicted 13 Russian nationals for allegedly conspiring to sow confusion in the 2016 presidential election. The chance of extraditing any of the accused from Vladimir Putin's Russia is zero.

Some of the Russians' Keystone Cops efforts to disrupt the election favored Donald Trump (as well as Bernie Sanders). Yet Mueller's team made it clear that the Russians neither colluded with any U.S. citizens nor had any material effect on the election's outcome.

But from here on out, there will be ironies, paradoxes and unintended consequences with just about everything Mueller does.

Is it now time to prosecute foreigners for attempting to interfere with a U.S. election? If so, then surely Christopher Steele, the author of the Fusion GPS dossier, is far more culpable and vulnerable than the 13 bumbling Russians.

Steele is not a U.S. citizen. Steele colluded with Russian interests in compiling his lurid dossier about Donald Trump. Steele did not register as a foreign agent. And Steele was paid by Hillary Clinton's campaign to find dirt on political rival Trump and his campaign.

In other words, Steele's position is far worse than that of the Russians for at a variety of reasons. One, he is easily extraditable while the Russians are not. Two, his efforts really did affect the race, given that the dossier was systematically leaked to major media and served as a basis for the U.S. government to spy on American citizens. Three, unlike with the Russians, no one disputes that American citizens -- Hillary Clinton, members of the Democratic National Committee, and anti-Trump partisan Glenn Simpson and his Fusion GPS team -- colluded by paying for Steele's work.

Mueller's team has also leveraged a guilty plea from former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn for making false statements to FBI investigators. If the Flynn case is now the Mueller standard, then we know that a number of high-ranking officials are vulnerable to such legal exposure.

Department of Justice official Bruce Ohr deliberately omitted on federal disclosure forms the fact that his wife, an expert on Russia, worked on the Fusion GPS dossier.

Steele himself probably lied to the FBI when he claimed he had not leaked the dossier's contents to the media.

Hillary Clinton aides Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills likely lied to FBI investigator Peter Strzok (who had also interviewed Flynn) when they claimed they had no idea that Clinton was using a private and illegal email server until the story went public. In fact, Abedin and Mills had communicated with Clinton over the same server -- as did then-President Barack Obama, who likewise denied that he knew about the improper server.

Former FBI Director James Comey likely lied to Congress when he claimed that his exoneration of Clinton came after he had interviewed her. We now know from documents that he drafted a statement about the conclusion of the investigation even before he met with her.

As far as obstruction charges go, Mueller has other possible targets. Former Attorney General Loretta Lynch met secretly with Bill Clinton on a jet parked on a tarmac in Phoenix shortly before the Justice Department closed the probe of Hillary Clinton and chose not to pursue charges against her. Comey said Lynch asked him not to use the word "investigation" when discussing the Clinton email probe. Text messages between Strzok and fellow FBI official Lisa Page suggest that Lynch knew in advance about the conclusions Comey would reach in the investigation.

What is going on?

Mueller is under enormous pressure to find collusion between the Trump team and Russia, or to find that the Trump team obstructed justice by trying to hide such collusion. But neither likely happened. Mueller was appointed at a time of national hysteria, brought on by partisan journalism based on a leaked dossier -- itself a product of a discredited British agent working with Russian sources while being paid by the Clinton campaign.

Worse still, the effort to hide the origins and the use of that dossier to obtain court permission to spy on American citizens may be a classic case of obstruction of justice.

Mueller's existential problem has been with him from the start. Due to the shenanigans of his discredited friend Comey and a rabid media, he was appointed to investigate crimes that did not exist. But if they did exist, collusion and obstruction were committed by those associated with the Clinton campaign and even by members of the Obama administration.

Investigating any possible crimes committed by members of the Clinton campaign or the Obama administration apparently is taboo, given the exalted status of both. But every time Mueller seeks to find incidental wrongdoing by those around Trump, he only makes the case stronger that behavior by those involved in the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration should be investigated.

If such matters are not treated in an unbiased manner, we are not a nation of equality under the law, but a banana republic masquerading as a democracy.

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Investigating any possible crimes committed by members of the Clinton campaign or the Obama administration apparently is taboo, given the exalted status of both. But every time Mueller seeks to find incidental wrongdoing by those around Trump, he only makes the case stronger that behavior by those involved in the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration should be investigated.

Brent Bozell nails it... as usual.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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Yeah, too bad nothing will come of this whole MCF.

The deck was stacked from the beginning, and the real purpose is to get Trump removed from office.
The DOJ and FBI are corrupted and cannot be trusted to honestly tell someone the correct time of day. The congress is fully aware of all this crap and, not surprisingly, unwilling, or unable to do anything about.

Why unwilling, or unable? Because, IMO, they all have so much shit to keep hidden that they know if they start the "unmasking" they, themselves will also be revealed.

The appointment of mueller was a pure political step intended to bring Trump down! And the swamp is fully in agreement with it. Otherwise they would have done something to put a stop to it.


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Originally posted by JALLEN:
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February 22, 2018



Is it now time to prosecute foreigners for attempting to interfere with a U.S. election? If so, then surely Christopher Steele, the author of the Fusion GPS dossier, is far more culpable and vulnerable than the 13 bumbling Russians.



JALLEN, why isn't anyone of note in government calling for the indictment of Christopher Steele?

This article calls for it. I'll buy it. But why isn't anyone involved in the investigation or congress called for Steele's indictment?



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But why isn't anyone involved in the investigation or congress called for Steele's indictment?

Because it would open a can of worms that leads back to Hillary.

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Investigating any possible crimes committed by members of the Clinton campaign or the Obama administration apparently is taboo, given the exalted status of both. But every time Mueller seeks to find incidental wrongdoing by those around Trump, he only makes the case stronger that behavior by those involved in the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration should be investigated.

This is a political investigation. The purpose is to shield Hillary. Remember, the entire "Russian collusion" narrative was brought up by Hillary to deflect blame from herself for losing the election.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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But why isn't anyone involved in the investigation or congress called for Steele's indictment?

Because it would open a can of worms that leads back to Hillary.


Okay... but not everybody in the government likes Hillary, right? And, yeah, I know about how Clinton's friends seem to up and die when connected to a Clinton scandal. Why wouldn't they want to pursue this thread against Hillary?



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Okay... but not everybody in the government likes Hillary, right?

But everyone who works for the Mueller Investigation DOES like Hillary, right?
They nearly all gave her money.

Not A Single Lawyer Known To Work For Mueller Is A Republican
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02...cans-mueller-lawyer/



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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I wouldn't give up hope quite yet.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/...ussia-to-frame-trump

Nunes Tells Hannity: Clinton Collaborated With Russia to Frame Trump

House Intelligence Chair Devin Nunes on Monday night claimed it was the Hillary Clinton campaign that had been the real Russian collaborator, and had effectively weaponized the FBI against Donald Trump during the 2016 presidential election.

“It’s what happens in banana republics. It’s scary,” said the California Republican, who claimed that the controversial memo released by the House intel panel last week on a party-line vote showed a “clear link” between the Clinton campaign and Russia.

There's clear evidence of collusion—that the Democratic Party and the Hillary Clinton campaign colluded with the Russians ,” Nunes said, using his appearance on prime time’s top-rated cable-news show to decry the supposed “crickets from the media” about the biggest political story of the past week.

Nunes repeatedly told Hannity that his memo had turned the tables on Democrats, saying “the counterintelligence investigation should have been opened up against the Hillary campaign when they got ahold of the dossier.

“I just go by the old rule: Whatever they accuse you of doing, they’re actually doing,” Nunes said.

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if the REPs were smart, this would be one of the battlecrys for the 2018 elections
 
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I’m still baffled by the fact that Rosenstein, nominated by President Trump, appointed Mueller as special counsel.



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just my opinion, but the jury is still out on whether Rosenstein is a "seeker of justice and truth" or a member of the "cover up & deceive" team.

Remember, Rosenstein signed off on the 3rd extension of the FISA warrant against Carter Page. So if that application was based on a lie then that is on him.
 
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My only question about Rosenstein: Is he stupid, or is he a traitor?



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But every time Mueller seeks to find incidental wrongdoing by those around Trump, he only makes the case stronger that behavior by those involved in the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration should be investigated.



I have said this from the very beginning and repeat it every time somebody says that Mueller needs to be shut down right this second.

Let the investigation run its course. Then the left will have absolutely nothing to complain about (although complain they will) when this is turned back around on them.


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My only question about Rosenstein: Is he stupid, or is he a traitor?


Are those the only possibilities? Do we know enough to evaluate it?

I was very impressed by his letter justifying the firing of FBI Director Comey.

If you have an umpire who calls every pitch a strike, pretty soon you have to wonder.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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What's the support from Nunez congressional district?


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OT, but wanted to get this in one of the "Russia investigation" threads.

Be very careful w anything written by Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News. He is completely in the tank for the DEMs.

Here is his latest hit job:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hou...sists-100034138.html

House Democrats seek 20 to 30 more witnesses in Russia probe, but GOP resists

Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee have a list of 20 to 30 witnesses they still want to question in the Russia investigation, but fear that Republicans will block them from doing so.

“I don’t know we’re going to get a crack at them,” Rep. Jackie Speier, D-Calif., told Yahoo News’ Skullduggery podcast.

Speier said that Republican staff members on the panel may even have engaged in tampering with witnesses to thwart inquires into President Trump’s or his campaign’s ties to the Russians, but did not elaborate

....

The DEMs always march in lock step w the talking points. They want the "investigation" to go on indefinitely.

Isikoff may be one of the worst enablers of deceit over all the media. But he has lots of tough competition.

Of course, Isikoff is friends w Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS
 
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Another very good and informative article from 'sundance', discussing the political shenanigans and malfeasance around the “Russian Malicious Cyber Activity – Joint Analysis Report”, first released 12/16.
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"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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