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| Good question. We had one go off one night many years ago close to our bedroom, probably 40 yards away. It was so bright and loud that both my wife and I bolted upright in bed. No lightening involved, it just cooked off. Jim
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| Posts: 9791 | Location: The right side of Washington State | Registered: September 14, 2008 |  
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| Yes, there is oil or kerosene in them that act's as a heat sink, if the transformer shorts out and sparks, it can ignite the kerosene and explode......one did this on the pole right behind my house a few years back. |
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| quote: Originally posted by jimmy123x: Yes, there is oil or kerosene in them that act's as a heat sink, if the transformer shorts out and sparks, it can ignite the kerosene and explode......one did this on the pole right behind my house a few years back.
It’s a non conductive oil. I don’t think you’ll find too many with kerosene in them. |
| Posts: 3311 | Location: NE Kansas | Registered: February 24, 2007 |  
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| I'm sure we have someone here from a utility company that can explain far better than I, but they can light off for a number of reasons. The ones we most commonly see are a broken conductor causing arcing, low oil, overloading, the occasional lightning strike etc... Most if not all of the explosions you see is arc flashing, not actual explosions like you'd normally think of with flammable liquids, etc. And the transformers are filled with mineral oil, not kerosene. We just let them burn because attempting to fight the fire would just make it worse. Either we'd get electrocuted in the process, or since oil floats on water, we'd cause the burning mineral oil to create a river of fire running down the road. It's rare to have an exposure problem with a burning pole, so we just let it burn itself out. And if there is an exposure problem we treat the exposure, not the burning pole/transformer.
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| Posts: 6502 | Location: Just outside of Boston | Registered: March 28, 2007 |  
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| quote: Originally posted by David Lee: What is it that causes the large transformers on wood power line poles to ignite and explode.
Sudden massive imbalances in the distribution grid causes sudden overheating that substantially exceeds their design criteria or overcomes their internal dialectic properties--which results in internal arcing. quote: Originally posted by David Lee: I am told there is something like 15 gallons of oil inside them. Why do they cook off and blow up like this ?
There is oil in them indeed. It's used to conduct the heat they generate to the outside to cool them. But when the transformer suddenly massively overheats or arcs internally, as above, the oil boils off or flashes to vapour, internal pressure raises too high for the container to, uh... contain, and *boom*. Think of them as kind of like big electrical firecrackers 
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| Posts: 26109 | Location: S.E. Michigan | Registered: January 06, 2008 |  
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| quote: Originally posted by ryan81986: I'm sure we have someone here from a utility company that can explain far better than I, but they can light off for a number of reasons. The ones we most commonly see are a broken conductor causing arcing, low oil, overloading, the occasional lightning strike etc... Most if not all of the explosions you see is arc flashing, not actual explosions like you'd normally think of with flammable liquids, etc.
And the transformers are filled with mineral oil, not kerosene.
We just let them burn because attempting to fight the fire would just make it worse. Either we'd get electrocuted in the process, or since oil floats on water, we'd cause the burning mineral oil to create a river of fire running down the road. It's rare to have an exposure problem with a burning pole, so we just let it burn itself out. And if there is an exposure problem we treat the exposure, not the burning pole/transformer.
Thank you. That 8th boom went off right over top the utility truck. I thought with all the rain, the pole would go out, not so. The utility truck guy went up and was spraying the pole and put the flames out. AFAIK, the transformer wasn't needed as the 3 lines are now attached to insulators. You can see right through the top of the pole. |
| Posts: 18062 | Location: The Bluegrass State! | Registered: December 23, 2008 |  
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| I forget the voltages but the lower the wire on the distribution pole the lower the voltage. Bottom cables feeding transformers are 7500 volts if memory is correct.
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| Posts: 8585 | Location: Livingston County Michigan USA | Registered: August 11, 2002 |  
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| normal cause when lots of them go is a huge voltage spike. like lightning. They don't have kerosene or the like but a mineral oil (since PCB's were outlawed). It's rare but sometimes they get hot enough the mineral oil burns, but that's not usual. As ryan81986 says the normal course of events is to just let whatever is burning burn. and if necessary deal with any secondary effects (also rare). look and sound spectacular but very benign in the overall scheme of things.
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