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Originally posted by mark_a:
If you can't stand the heat don't go in to the kitchen...

Or a softball field right?

Right.

I go to ball fields all the time. I provide my own protection and have yet to need it.

Lots of crazy people in the world. When do I get a 24/7 professional security detail? Tell you what, I will forego mine so that my wife can have it. She is a teacher and because of lousy politicians she doesn't get to be armed at work. If it is good enough for her it is good enough for the assholes who write these laws and the assholes who can't read simple words written well over 200 years ago.

You are damn right I don't think any of them deserve outlandish security details paid for with money taken from me.

Um, (face palm), you do realize she advocates guns in schools???!!!
Or did you read 46&2's rant and jump on his wagon?
She's being attacked big time from the left for advocating teachers being armed.
I'm not sure about the whole 46&2 rant about this Trump choice but read this, you'll understand why the left hates her.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.8665f5f21baa

Federal grant money to arm teachers? America! Fuck yeah! [Team America voice]
Matt Damon is against this. Just saying.

This is Washington DC. Nancy Pelosi spends that on her Depends every year. Any time the democrats hate someone this much is all I need to know that she is doing a good job.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
We shouldn't even have a Secretary of Education. Education isn't a federal matter. Leave it to the states.

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Is that figure accurate, and - overlapping - how is it calculated? This is the network that rigged GM truck gas tanks to explode when they couldn't get one to for a story, the former homes of Brian Williams and Katie Couric, she of the VCDL interview infamy, and other such instances of blatant deception. In other words, I am disinclined to believe this "source." And she is a person of some means, I believe. Maybe she is footing part of the bill herself for all we know. We don't know either way, but if it is true, NBC Snooze sure isn't going to tell you.

Abolish it!

easier to abolish democrats

and we'll have better results in the end

its a bad story, poorly written by a media that cannot be trusted

You guys are something else. We have a SecEd that’s everything you guy would want in the position, up to the point of weakening the DoE to where it can’t do any harm, and doing everything she can to drain education of Union poison. She’s been spat upon, on video, by union goons at a school of all places, and threatened with her life for being pro-voucher, pro-trades, anti-union, pro-safety (including using firearms where and when necessary).

All some of you guys can do is lay there and grunt that her position shouldn’t exist.

Do you think sh has a say in that? That she could just declare it thus?

I declare the DoE dissolved! Oh. It didn’t work?

The way she’s being attacked is disgusting. She needs support, not this indifferent apathy. Cripes.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
We shouldn't even have a Secretary of Education. Education isn't a federal matter. Leave it to the states.

Agree. This amount is $20 million more than the entire department budget should be. Just one more in the endless stream of examples showing how frivolous pollly-tic-ians are with our money.

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You're right, it's not $20 Million a year, more like an average of $8 Million a year. By Grabthar's hammer, wow what a savings. I mean, that's *only* ~$22,000/day to protect her.

No big deal, eh? A nearly useless privileged bureaucrat in a nearly useless position. I ask again... what, precisely, or hell - even theoretically, does she do to warrant this expense?

You might want to edit your inaccurate thread title.

As for why she's "worth it," the alternatives are 1) let the hecklers have her, or 2) replace her because the hecklers say so. The money isn't being spent for her, it's being spent for the office. And 5 million isn't even a rounding error in the budget. You can be against waste in general, but acting like this is a lot of money is silly.

There IS a lot of waste in BIG government -it's the nature of the beast. Should we do something about it? Can we? Sure. It's a question of degree. So let's start trimming - SOE can go - let the states do it. And for me, maybe EPA. And maybe VHA. Maybe we don't need a Vice President. Heck, maybe not even a President. Then we wouldn't have to worry about protecting ex-Presidents. Maybe we don't even need a government - no more taxes. Just leave me alone to do what I want on my land, in my house, with my family. I got my own protection. That's a pretty common thread, some parts. We're now back to the first century. The ultimate problem with that is, me and my pals in the next county will organize, because, well, power. Then we'll come and take your house, and your family, and your land. And your life. So maybe we need some sort of organization, because, well, protection. So now we're back to City-States. And somebody will be in charge, with perks. Because otherwise, nobody would want the job. Comes with some risk. And maybe some City-States will want to combine, because other City-States want to combine and take our lands and houses. Because, well, power. And now we have overhead, with a need for resources. And revenue. So now we have Government again - capitalized. If we could only build it the way I want it, with what I want, just for me. Not for you. Let's cut....

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This is Washington DC. Nancy Pelosi spends that on her Depends every year...

If she becomes speaker again (likely), look for her entourage to use an Air Force Gulfstream for trips to Kalifornia every weekend.

Does anyone remember when Speaker Boehner always flew home (Ohio) commercial? You may not, as the media would never report anything positive the GOP does.

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Originally posted by Veeper:
You guys are something else. We have a SecEd that’s everything you guy would want in the position, up to the point of weakening the DoE to where it can’t do any harm, and doing everything she can to drain education of Union poison. She’s been spat upon, on video, by union goons at a school of all places, and threatened with her life for being pro-voucher, pro-trades, anti-union, pro-safety (including using firearms where and when necessary).

All some of you guys can do is lay there and grunt that her position shouldn’t exist.

Do you think sh has a say in that? That she could just declare it thus?

I declare the DoE dissolved! Oh. It didn’t work?

The way she’s being attacked is disgusting. She needs support, not this indifferent apathy. Cripes.

He's right, you know!

I agree with jhe888 (and Reagan) that we should dissolve the DoE, but in the meantime, she IS everything we could want in the position and she must be defended.

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Originally posted by Veeper:
You guys are something else. We have a SecEd that’s everything you guy would want in the position, up to the point of weakening the DoE to where it can’t do any harm, and doing everything she can to drain education of Union poison. She’s been spat upon, on video, by union goons at a school of all places, and threatened with her life for being pro-voucher, pro-trades, anti-union, pro-safety (including using firearms where and when necessary).

All some of you guys can do is lay there and grunt that her position shouldn’t exist.

Do you think sh has a say in that? That she could just declare it thus?

I declare the DoE dissolved! Oh. It didn’t work?

The way she’s being attacked is disgusting. She needs support, not this indifferent apathy. Cripes.

Thank you for providing a rational thought into the thread.

Oh baloney. She's just a hatchet(wo)man. Any asshole could do what's she's doing, job wise.

If all of SIGforum were standing in a room you could toss a penny and hit a dozen people who could do what she's doing. So let's not pretend she's uniquely qualified, or special, or doing anything all that difficult. She can't just wish away the Education department either, so what is it you think she's really doing and going to do?

It's bullshit work, however it may align with your wishes and personal philosophy.

And anyone who doesn't think $5 million or more a year is enough money to worry about is out of their mind, and exemplifying the very problem. It IS absurdly wasteful. And she isn't that important, nor is her office, and while I can appreciate the sentiment that one needs to Protect the Billet - she's barely more important to the Billet than the Gate Guard at the Whitehouse, and even that's only because she's in the Line of Succession at all, at 14th.

The idea that the threat is both big and real enough to even take note of AND ambiguous and nebulous enough that she needs around the clock protection for years - everywhere - is fucking ludicrous. Who the hell is after her, the Mexican Cartels? ISIS? A rogue group of professional assassins? And who have they killed before, which other Cabinet members?

It's a bunch of wasteful baloney, of the highest order, despite the naysayers here.

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She's just a hatchet(wo)man. Any asshole could do what's she's doing, job wise.
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It's bullshit work, however it may align with your wishes and personal philosophy.

I could probably do the job... without that much security, but it's NOT bullshit work. Draining the swamp, un-doing the huge bureaucracy, is not for the faint of heart. She is meeting great resistance in what she is trying to accomplish.

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And anyone who doesn't think $5 million or more a year is enough money to worry about is out of their mind, and exemplifying the very problem. It IS absurdly wasteful.

I do agree that it is a lot of money and that government is bloated and ineffective.
But as JALLEN would say, all of that waste has its' own constituency trying to protect it... which is why there is so much resistance.

You do argue with great passion.

The security isn’t about her personally. It’s about the job. If she gets killed while doing what she’s doing, while there are a lot of people could do it, fewer people will want to. And if someone steps up to do the exact same thing and they get killed then the number of people shrinks even further. It’s not about protecting someone who can, it’s about making sure someone always will.

Of course it’s totally possible that the threat doesn’t warrant the protection but it’s just as possible that there has been a credible threat on her life that we don’t know about.

I don’t know every threat made against her. I don’t know if those threats warrant the level of protection she is getting. I don’t know if the level of protection she is getting should cost what it does. What I do know is that as long as the post exists I want someone like her to fill it, and I want that someone to be protected from harm so that someone else like her will be willing to step into the position when she’s gone.

I think it's a mix of regular old Wasteful Bureaucracy and some Political Grandstanding to further fuel the Us vs Them, Left vs Right, narrative, and it appears to be working famously.

I hope to be proven wrong about this one day, I truly do, but I wouldn't bet those odds.

Who knows, maybe Tater is right... maybe the Weatherman of old are spinning up sleeper cells nationwide as we speak. Beatniks and hippies and teachers are sharpening their letter openers, taking trips to Cuba via San Juan to train with AKs and RPGs, all to stop evil Betsy.

Yeah, that's it. The same Commies who surely would have done just about anything to prevent a Trump victory, but didn't, will mobilize info action and (snicker) take out the Secretary of Education, because she's cutting some teaching jobs and funding. Yessiree.

Anyway, thanks for the amusing discussion.

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I think it's a mix of regular old Wasteful Bureaucracy and some Political Grandstanding to further fuel the Us vs Them, Left vs Right, narrative, and it appears to be working famously.

I hope to be proven wrong about this one day, I truly do, but I wouldn't bet those odds.

Who knows, maybe Tater is right... maybe the Weatherman of old are spinning up sleeper cells nationwide as we speak. Beatniks and hippies and teachers are sharpening their letter openers, taking trips to Cuba via San Juan to train with AKs and RPGs, all to stop evil Betsy.

Yeah, that's it. The same Commies who surely would have done just about anything to prevent a Trump victory, but didn't, will mobilize info action and (snicker) take out the Secretary of Education, because she's cutting some teaching jobs and funding. Yessiree.

Anyway, thanks for the amusing discussion.

Most of "them" might not be in their basements building pipe bombs or loading guns into a van to drive up to DC to kill some Republicans......but their incendiary rhetoric is built to pander to and to inspire some mentally unstable asshat to go out and do just these types of things. In our "protests" during the Stockley verdict, you could see the crazy in the eyes of most of people we arrested, it was all about the power of the mob and covering your face that gave them the confidence to assault their fellow citizens and commit violence. . I do believe a few of the some more radical teacher's union officials have called for her death. In this day and world, that is a threat we have to take seriously, otherwise we will end up like Columbia; don't like the courts and criminal justice, kill judges and keep killing them until no honest person wants the job. Don't like the way the laws are written, kill the legislatures until no honest person wants that job. It is what it has always been, most higher level government jobs have or require a security detail.

How many other political job holders must have some sort of protection, surely not just DeVos? Who knows how much money we're talking about and in an ideal world, this shouldn't be the case.

But it is. Add it to the ways Cloward-Piven look to bleed the country dry.

Breaking News:

A sleeper cell of art-fags armed with unregistered semi-automatic sharpened assault-hairpins with bump-stocks cleverly hidden in their man-buns were apprehended while self identifying and dressing as Asian women in a daring example of trade-craft in order to get close to their intended victim in the produce section of the local Whole Foods or TJ's.

The NSA reportedly intercepted a coded emoji message between two co-conspirators over Pumpkin Spice Lattes and Scones at the local Starbucks, one Drama major and one with a Masters in Psychology, their education background clearly a front for clever disguises and keen insights into the very nature of their intended mark - the one and only Betsy Davos.

The operation, code named LBGTFUBD, was set to employ the additional cover of Ninja Chihuahuas, each festooned with nail polish and bows to further distract the target while pulling double-duty as Ankle Assassins and Proximity Sensors. Their backup plan was to kidnap Secretary Davos and torture her with WalMart clothes until she capitulated.

Were it not for the brave efforts of the entire Atlantic Fleet of the NAVY, the unfathomable computing and surveillance power of the NSA, more than 50 Special Operations teams from the FBI, the DC National Guard, and the ASPCA, who collectively put in 32,000 effort hours of work in the last month, Secretary Davos might have faced the horror of cheap Cotton.

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