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Originally posted by stickman428:
At some point government must take seriously its job. Having riots every night is a complete and total failure of government. This will become a clever attempt to blame LE for the total failure of government. I reject that and can see this for what it is.

It’s not like he shot her or began wailing on her. He acted out of extreme restraint in my eyes.

Yeah, as strikes go that one looked pretty mild to me. I understand the ROE problem, but damn! I heard this morning that the county DA - the same guy who refuses to prosecute rioters who destroy private and public property and routinely assault officers - is going to prosecute Officer Budworth. I also heard that the PPB expects a bunch more officers to resign if he's convicted.

I’m surprised they have any officers there at all. I truly am. I don’t think I would defend a city or government that has abandoned me spectacularly failed at every level and then maliciously attempted to shift blame to those tasked with an impossible job that has been coupled with increasingly unrealistic expectations.

I think I would walk away from that and let them burn it all down. Maybe the only way for them to realize what they have is for the city to lose everything?

The other thing I heard, on the news last night, is that Portland is finishing their budget process and allocated $6M to cleaning up the mess from the rioting and another $6M (yes those are M's) to homeless assistance programs and shelters. Oh, and the police? They're losing another $3M.

I'm glad I am retired. As much shit as we put up with, back in the day, there is no way I would risk my life to protect a society that not only despises me, but would go out of its way to persecute and prosecute me for doing the job.

Convicted felons are not Altar boys. The majority are violent sociopaths. Socialists have an agenda. And they are working hand in hand. Throwing water ballons at them and asking "please" is doomed to failure. Violence is their stock and trade. It is what they understand. And violence is a necessary tool in dealing with them effectively. History illustrates this.

And those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Regards 18DAI

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Originally posted by stickman428:
I’m surprised they have any officers there at all...

I stand by those claiming the goal is a national police force. Destroying local policing is a step down that road (Lightfoot is calling for federal help, not so coincidentally).

That said I have to wonder how a national police force would be staffed. A lot of scary scenarios pop into mind.

Cops need to stand up for themselves and demand a seat at the table. They have every right to tell legislators what we are willing to do and what we wont do. If LEO's don't get off their asses they will lose their qualified immunity. If cops think the republicans and democrats will come up with a fair compromise they are insane and they will deserve what will happen in this country.

Teachers demanded a seat at the table during covid and they took unfair advantage. Crime is increasing everywhere and cops are hiding out, as they should be. If cops quietly sit on their hands hoping the likes of Tim Scott and Schummer can find compromise they are foolish. The police Unions need to be working together. Then need to demand more training money, better pay, better equipment, along with QI and a seat at the table when discussing tactics and risk management. I don't want to hear what the chiefs of police say about training and tactics. I want line officers who actually fight crime making these decisions not the usual political yes men that Mayors bring out at press conferences.

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Originally posted by Expert308:

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Originally posted by stickman428:
At some point government must take seriously its job. Having riots every night is a complete and total failure of government. This will become a clever attempt to blame LE for the total failure of government. I reject that and can see this for what it is.

It’s not like he shot her or began wailing on her. He acted out of extreme restraint in my eyes.

Yeah, as strikes go that one looked pretty mild to me. I understand the ROE problem, but damn! I heard this morning that the county DA - the same guy who refuses to prosecute rioters who destroy private and public property and routinely assault officers - is going to prosecute Officer Budworth. I also heard that the PPB expects a bunch more officers to resign if he's convicted.

Not if he's convicted. They quit.

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All off the officers, sergeants, and detectives who were on the Rapid Response Team (RRT) - accounting for about roughly 50 members - met Wednesday and voted to resign, the bureau said. Despite not serving on the RRT, they are still sworn PPB members and will continue with their regular assignments.

Portland Police Acting Chief Chris Davis said he feels the resignations were a culmination of a lot of things, including responding to the near-nightly civil unrest in the city.

The resignations were announced after a member of the team, Officer Corey Budworth, was indicted on criminal charges—accused of using excessive force during a protest. Davis acknowledged this likely was a factor in Wednesday's decision.

https://katu.com/news/local/al...-team-vote-to-resign

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Originally posted by gw3971:
Cops need to stand up for themselves and demand a seat at the table. They have every right to tell legislators what we are willing to do and what we wont do. If LEO's don't get off their asses they will lose their qualified immunity. If cops think the republicans and democrats will come up with a fair compromise they are insane and they will deserve what will happen in this country.

Teachers demanded a seat at the table during covid and they took unfair advantage. Crime is increasing everywhere and cops are hiding out, as they should be. If cops quietly sit on their hands hoping the likes of Tim Scott and Schummer can find compromise they are foolish. The police Unions need to be working together. Then need to demand more training money, better pay, better equipment, along with QI and a seat at the table when discussing tactics and risk management. I don't want to hear what the chiefs of police say about training and tactics. I want line officers who actually fight crime making these decisions not the usual political yes men that Mayors bring out at press conferences.

Good luck with that. It ain't happening, at least not in Chicago. The Mayor in Chicago absolutely hates the FOP president and won't even talk to him. The rank and file have been without a contract for years but what the mutant on the 5th floor doesn't realize is that the longer she delays signing a contract the more she will have to pay out in the end. As long as it's illegal for the police to strike, there is not a lot they can do other than become firemen.

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Originally posted by powermad:

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Originally posted by Expert308:

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Originally posted by stickman428:
At some point government must take seriously its job. Having riots every night is a complete and total failure of government. This will become a clever attempt to blame LE for the total failure of government. I reject that and can see this for what it is.

It’s not like he shot her or began wailing on her. He acted out of extreme restraint in my eyes.

Yeah, as strikes go that one looked pretty mild to me. I understand the ROE problem, but damn! I heard this morning that the county DA - the same guy who refuses to prosecute rioters who destroy private and public property and routinely assault officers - is going to prosecute Officer Budworth. I also heard that the PPB expects a bunch more officers to resign if he's convicted.

Not if he's convicted. They quit.

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All off the officers, sergeants, and detectives who were on the Rapid Response Team (RRT) - accounting for about roughly 50 members - met Wednesday and voted to resign, the bureau said. Despite not serving on the RRT, they are still sworn PPB members and will continue with their regular assignments.

Portland Police Acting Chief Chris Davis said he feels the resignations were a culmination of a lot of things, including responding to the near-nightly civil unrest in the city.

The resignations were announced after a member of the team, Officer Corey Budworth, was indicted on criminal charges—accused of using excessive force during a protest. Davis acknowledged this likely was a factor in Wednesday's decision.

https://katu.com/news/local/al...-team-vote-to-resign

Ah, I guess I mis-heard the report. Thanks for the clarification.

If I understood the story on Fox the officers are quitting the riot team, not the force. There are around 350 officers that volunteer for riot team.

Do LEO's typically get additional hazard pay for riot duty? (on top of the OT they would earn)

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Originally posted by Bulldog7972:

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Originally posted by gw3971:
Cops need to stand up for themselves and demand a seat at the table. They have every right to tell legislators what we are willing to do and what we wont do. If LEO's don't get off their asses they will lose their qualified immunity. If cops think the republicans and democrats will come up with a fair compromise they are insane and they will deserve what will happen in this country.

Teachers demanded a seat at the table during covid and they took unfair advantage. Crime is increasing everywhere and cops are hiding out, as they should be. If cops quietly sit on their hands hoping the likes of Tim Scott and Schummer can find compromise they are foolish. The police Unions need to be working together. Then need to demand more training money, better pay, better equipment, along with QI and a seat at the table when discussing tactics and risk management. I don't want to hear what the chiefs of police say about training and tactics. I want line officers who actually fight crime making these decisions not the usual political yes men that Mayors bring out at press conferences.

Good luck with that. It ain't happening, at least not in Chicago. The Mayor in Chicago absolutely hates the FOP president and won't even talk to him. The rank and file have been without a contract for years but what the mutant on the 5th floor doesn't realize is that the longer she delays signing a contract the more she will have to pay out in the end. As long as it's illegal for the police to strike, there is not a lot they can do other than become firemen.

Illegal really doesn't matter anymore. Plenty of things out there are illegal and no one is doing anything about them. Walk off the job and see what happens. Admin ain't gonna come out of their high back leather chairs and get anybody.

I'll make you a friendly five dollar wager that if the Chicago coppers walk off the job The Mutant would do everything she could, spend every taxpayer dollar to fire them. She hates cops but especially hates the Union President and is doing everything she can to get rid of him. She epitomizes what is wrong with America.

What is every single Chicago LEO walked off the job? What would she do then?

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
What is every single Chicago LEO walked off the job? What would she do then?

Easy! Chicago would celebrate the new holiday Juneteenth by rioting, burning neighborhood drug stores, looting Targets, iPhones stores, and go for a new record for weekend killings.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Do LEO's typically get additional hazard pay for riot duty? (on top of the OT they would earn)

Maybe in union states.

Our guys don’t even get overtime most of the time. Federal guideline is 171 hours in a 28 day cycle before OT for police. Work 10 x 12 hour days in a row and then have a break to cool off…no overtime unless you hit that magical 171.

We were talking about the quitting the riot squad thing yesterday. Our consensus was they would try to fire us. Here you are voluntold, and the “pulls” happen frequently. Nothing like what some of the cities to the west have dealt with though. I don’t know if they would succeed in firing, we do have civil service protection, but I think they’d try.

It’s beginning to look like “reality is imitating art” now.

I have never heard of hazard pay for us LEO's anywhere.

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Do LEO's typically get additional hazard pay for riot duty? (on top of the OT they would earn)

Maybe in union states.

Our guys don’t even get overtime most of the time. Federal guideline is 171 hours in a 28 day cycle before OT for police. Work 10 x 12 hour days in a row and then have a break to cool off…no overtime unless you hit that magical 171.

We were talking about the quitting the riot squad thing yesterday. Our consensus was they would try to fire us. Here you are voluntold, and the “pulls” happen frequently. Nothing like what some of the cities to the west have dealt with though. I don’t know if they would succeed in firing, we do have civil service protection, but I think they’d try.

Yeah that is a scary possibility of being fired but so is defending yourself and then being charged with a crime to appease the democrat voting base.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
What is every single Chicago LEO walked off the job? What would she do then?

Walk off the job? Why would we do that?!?
All we have to do is what we're required to do. Answer radio, drive to job in a safe manner, write paper or code the job out, leave.
Lather, rinse, repeat until check-off.


Didn't write any tickets?
No sir, didn't see anyone violate traffic laws!

Don't think for a second that it's not being done as we speak.
It's not being lazy, it's self preservation in some of these cities.
They have handcuffed and hobbled Law Enforcement in places like New York, Minneapolis, Chicago, Seattle... Not only that, but if officers do something that "looks bad", the people in charge (mayor, chief/superintendent, city council, media...) want to hang the officer from the highest tree. Hey, no contact with the public lessens my officers chances of getting a complaint filed against them!

In the end, who actually suffers? The decent people in that city! Two days ago, Chicago had a whole family... A whole family... that was robbed at gunpoint on the Mag Mile. That's not sad, that's fucking pathetic.
Not the mayor, who has more armed guards around her, her wife, and her house than most people on here have police in their towns.
https://www.chicagocontrarian....os-summer-of-anarchy
(About the 7th or 8th paragraph down)

I've posted on here a few times on places to come to, places to eat here in Chicago.
I can't, in good faith, do that anymore. Why would I subject you to being a victim in a city (and state) that makes it very hard to have the ability to protect yourself?

Things may be bad here in Chicago, but IT AINT PORTLAND OR SEATTLE!
We haven't been in a constant battle with rioters for over a year.