The riots in America and the attempted overthrow of the United States
That’s not a gun, it’s a taser
May 11, 2021, 06:56 AM
kimber1911
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Originally posted by limblessbiff: That’s not a gun, it’s a taser
Are you certain “Chief”? From the linked article.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton got involved since the Plano police chief refused to arrest the lawbreakers.
“I instructed one of my top deputies to contact the Plano Police Chief to get more details. What he heard paints an even worse picture that the video alone depicts,” Ken Paxton said in a statement.
Paxton said the police chief told his deputy several different versions of what actually happened.
“First, the Chief told my deputy that while the weapon drawn wasn’t a pistol, it was, in fact, a “pepper ball gun.” In a separate conversation, the Chief claimed it was a “taser.” In a recent Facebook post, the Department is now saying it was a “electronic control device.” Paxton said. “Whatever it was, the police declined to pursue the leftist who brandished the weapon, and no charges are being pressed against him.”
Paxton continued, “Second, the Chief was anxious to excuse the rioters. “You have to understand the situation.” urged the Chief. “We have to negotiate with these people. Do you expect us to mass arrest the protesters? You know that’s not going to happen.”
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May 11, 2021, 07:07 AM
mutedblade
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Originally posted by limblessbiff: That’s not a gun, it’s a taser
Would you be willing to bet your life on that? That mother fucker needed to have his god damn head canoed. If police are present, why draw anything unless to further antagonize?
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May 11, 2021, 07:43 AM
Mars_Attacks
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“You have to understand the situation.” urged the Chief. “We have to negotiate with these people. Do you expect us to mass arrest the protesters? You know that’s not going to happen.”
These authorities aren't stupid. They know exactly what they are doing.
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May 11, 2021, 07:52 AM
Skins2881
At this point, fuck it. Defund the police. They aren't doing their job anyways. Let the purge happen. All these people screaming to Defund the police will be begging for them back after a week.
Jesse
Sic Semper Tyrannis
May 11, 2021, 07:55 AM
HayesGreener
I am disappointed that this happened in Texas and understand the emotions, but the big guy in traffic was going to start a fight and probably would have had his ass stomped. Officers needed to de-fuse that encounter and get him the hell out of there-they didn't have enough manpower to dominate that crowd. Nothing good could have come of a meelee out there with good potential for people getting hurt or shot. They can talk about criminal charges later. I don't know anything about that chief but sometimes you have to let things cool off if you don't have the manpower or support to dominate the situation.
I said from the start, if the departments in Portland and Seattle and Minneapolis, etc, had pushed the mutual aid button and brought in a couple thousand officers on day 1, the summer of arson and looting could have been brought to a sudden halt. But there was no political backbone from local elected officials to do what needed to be done. Failure to support first responders is unconscionable. The arsonist media cowed elected officials into inaction, so these BLM and Antifa anarchist assholes could run amok without consequence.
The Governor of Florida has balls, as does the legislature and the sheriffs. DeSantis has told Antifa to stay out of Florida, and passed laws with teeth. Cities/Counties that try to de-fund police will be penalized. He gave all first responders a $1000 bonus and lit the Governor's mansion blue for Police Week. Such a contrast to weak kneed politicians I see elsewhere. Bottom line for law enforcement is and always has been, every community gets precisely the quality of police service they deserve.
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May 11, 2021, 07:56 AM
Voshterkoff
They are doing their job against anyone who fights back, or violates a corona edict.
May 11, 2021, 08:11 AM
lastmanstanding
Paxton's statement is toothless. It reads like something a young reporter would write up. It's got all the who, what, where's and why's but he says nothing about doing one damn thing about it. Other than sending one of his top men to interview the chief.
He acts like a innocent bystander who has no power to do anything and not a Attorney General of the state who swings a pretty big hammer.
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May 11, 2021, 08:26 AM
Jimbo Jones
Nutless Plano chief had a chance to do his job. If this happens again, Gov Abbott needs to send in NG or DPS...
Can Gov suspend a local head LEO or just county sherriff (or neither??)?
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May 11, 2021, 08:45 AM
lastmanstanding
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Originally posted by Jimbo Jones: Nutless Plano chief had a chance to do his job. If this happens again, Gov Abbott needs to send in NG or DPS...
Can Gov suspend a local head LEO or just county sheriff (or neither??)?
I believe this is something that if it can be done would fall to the Attorney General. Living in Minnesota I have seen the results of what a aggressive Attorney General can do. It is already unlawful to intentionally impede or stop traffic on a public roadway. Emergency vehicles trying to get to a scene or transporting individuals to a hospital need to have unimpeded access to the public roadways. This is why these laws exists.
I would say a law enforcement official who knowingly ignores the law much less supports the lawbreakers should be able to be easily removed from his position. But that's not the way things work any longer.
"Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton
May 11, 2021, 08:56 AM
Skins2881
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Originally posted by HayesGreener: I am disappointed that this happened in Texas and understand the emotions, but the big guy in traffic was going to start a fight and probably would have had his ass stomped. Officers needed to de-fuse that encounter and get him the hell out of there-they didn't have enough manpower to dominate that crowd. Nothing good could have come of a meelee out there with good potential for people getting hurt or shot. They can talk about criminal charges later. I don't know anything about that chief but sometimes you have to let things cool off if you don't have the manpower or support to dominate the situation.
I said from the start, if the departments in Portland and Seattle and Minneapolis, etc, had pushed the mutual aid button and brought in a couple thousand officers on day 1, the summer of arson and looting could have been brought to a sudden halt. But there was no political backbone from local elected officials to do what needed to be done. Failure to support first responders is unconscionable. The arsonist media cowed elected officials into inaction, so these BLM and Antifa anarchist assholes could run amok without consequence.
The Governor of Florida has balls, as does the legislature and the sheriffs. DeSantis has told Antifa to stay out of Florida, and passed laws with teeth. Cities/Counties that try to de-fund police will be penalized. He gave all first responders a $1000 bonus and lit the Governor's mansion blue for Police Week. Such a contrast to weak kneed politicians I see elsewhere. Bottom line for law enforcement is and always has been, every community gets precisely the quality of police service they deserve.
There are only two options. Let this stuff happen or do something about it. They've made their decision. The rioters and trouble makers know there are no consequences for their actions. The inmates now run the asylum.
If they hadn't let it go on for a year straight, they could put the genie back in the bottle. Not happening now, or ever. This is now expected and normal in America.
Jesse
Sic Semper Tyrannis
May 11, 2021, 10:12 AM
c1steve
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Originally posted by limblessbiff: That’s not a gun, it’s a taser
It appears to be a hammer fired pistol. Definitely not a taser.
-c1steve
May 11, 2021, 10:34 AM
P220 Smudge
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Originally posted by limblessbiff: That’s not a gun, it’s a taser
A distinction without a difference in this case.
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May 11, 2021, 10:51 AM
divil
It is whatever the corrupt ass Plano Chief says it is unless/until someone at state level grows a spine.
The NYPD said in an email to Fox News this week that 2,385 officers have submitted their retirement papers this year as of Oct. 6 – an 87% increase from the 1,274 retirements reported during the same period in 2019.
As of this week, the department’s headcount stood at just under 34,500, according to an NYPD spokesperson.
“This is the highest attrition rate we have seen in over a decade, during a time we are battling enormous spikes in shootings and murders,” Lynch wrote. “And thanks to the City Council and Mayor’s ‘Defund the Police’ lunacy, no help is coming any time soon. Our elected leaders need to be held responsible for the dangerous path they’ve chosen.”
NYC elects a new mayor in 2021. Bill de Blasio is unable to run for a third term due to term limits
Time for a live look to see how this 'Defund the NYPD' thing is going:
The loss of experience will cost the department and those served dearly. It takes several years (five according to most studies I'm aware of) for patrol officers to reach the degree of competency of training/supervising new officers, or qualify to test for sergeant (supervisory roles). What happens when experienced officers, supervisors, and managers leave and there's less numbers of qualified personnel to fill their ranks? Obviously, the "bar" is lowered for current and future employees. The furor that drives the "de-fund the police" movement ultimately results in even less qualified people doing the job(s) with more resultant problems than before. IMHO these actors knew this from the start and wanted the self-fulfilling prophecy that's in progress.
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May 11, 2021, 01:52 PM
HayesGreener
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Originally posted by pulicords:
The loss of experience will cost the department and those served dearly. It takes several years (five according to most studies I'm aware of) for patrol officers to reach the degree of competency of training/supervising new officers, or qualify to test for sergeant (supervisory roles). What happens when experienced officers, supervisors, and managers leave and there's less numbers of qualified personnel to fill their ranks? Obviously, the "bar" is lowered for current and future employees. The furor that drives the "de-fund the police" movement ultimately results in even less qualified people doing the job(s) with more resultant problems than before. IMHO these actors knew this from the start and wanted the self-fulfilling prophecy that's in progress.
You are absolutely correct about the loss of intellectual capital in police departments. When an officer retires it takes about a year of screening and academy training to replace an highly experience officer with a rookie, who will be roundly trained and experienced after 5 years on the job. That's a minimum of a 6 year deficit for each vacancy. Departments try to staff for personnel turnover-the average turnover in a police department is 10% per year, so ideally you would maintain a minimum of 10% staffing surplus for attrition, with built in staffing for training and employee development. This assumes you were at adequate staffing levels to begin with. When you exceed anticipated turnover, plus decrease staffing and funding, the workload spikes, morale plummets, attrition increases even more, and you end up with a manning vortex that is difficult to recover from. Major shots of funding and leadership is needed to turn it around.
But I think you give too much credit to elected officials doing this by design. I think it instead is done by stupid people for immediate attention who are unable to comprehend the logical consequences. I have worked with some great elected officials, but have had to contend with some who were dumb as a stump as well, and God forbid when they get into positions of power. You know, like the thing....
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May 15, 2021, 06:26 PM
Ronin1069
And the sound you hear… Is 10,000 Brooklyn Center homes going up for sale in unison.
The resolution, backed by Mayor Mike Elliott, intends to create new departments for community safety, which would oversee the existing police and fire departments, as well as create divisions of unarmed civilians to handle non-moving traffic violations and respond to mental health distress calls.
A new “citations and summons” policy would require officers to only issue citations and prohibit them from making arrests for low-level offenses. ——————- Be sure to let me know how that unarmed civilian part goes. Especially for traffic stops and domestics.
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May 15, 2021, 06:45 PM
flashguy
I predict the deaths of a lot of "unarmed civilians" who respond to "non-moving traffic violations and mental health distress calls".
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May 15, 2021, 09:55 PM
gw3971
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Originally posted by Skins2881: At this point, fuck it. Defund the police. They aren't doing their job anyways. Let the purge happen. All these people screaming to Defund the police will be begging for them back after a week.
Yep. I did 25 years as an LEO. Give them what they want and the cops can go hang out in the firehouse with the hose jockeys until they are really needed.
police need to discuss striking. Yes, I know its illegal for Leo's to strike but if they did so who exactly is going to arrest them? Police need to publicly discuss quitting en masse to send a real message to citizens and politicians. Police need to be involved in any reform movement and they need to speak up about what we are willing to do and what we wont do. If they wont discuss mass numbers of officers leaving through strikes or quitting then they are going to be left holding the bag in an already impossible policing environment.This message has been edited. Last edited by: gw3971, May 16, 2021 07:54 AM
May 16, 2021, 10:32 AM
pulicords
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Originally posted by gw3971:
quote:
Originally posted by Skins2881: At this point, fuck it. Defund the police. They aren't doing their job anyways. Let the purge happen. All these people screaming to Defund the police will be begging for them back after a week.
Yep. I did 25 years as an LEO. Give them what they want and the cops can go hang out in the firehouse with the hose jockeys until they are really needed.
police need to discuss striking. Yes, I know its illegal for Leo's to strike but if they did so who exactly is going to arrest them?
When laws mean nothing, the word "illegal" is meaningless. Police officers' have as much of a right to "strike", as these activists have to shut down thoroughfares, assault those who complain about it, loot and burn buildings. If it's not a crime anymore to commit robbery, assault, even murder, what's to stop those opposing such acts from targeting those who commit such acts? This isn't a "slippery slope", so much as a cliff.
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