The riots in America and the attempted overthrow of the United States

October 11, 2020, 04:18 PM

18DAI

If the 2nd gun belonged to the news producer, he had to toss it. Not to avoid criminal charges. But to avoid being shunned and out of work, were he caught with it.

Regards 18DAI

October 11, 2020, 04:22 PM

jljones

quote:
Originally posted by 18DAI:
If the 2nd gun belonged to the news producer, he had to toss it. Not to avoid criminal charges. But to avoid being shunned and out of work, were he caught with it. Regards 18DAI

But, for all we know, he might have confessed to the cops it was his.

October 11, 2020, 04:37 PM

bigdeal

quote:
Originally posted by 83v45magna:
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the second pistol found was a small 'backup' worn on the shooter. Ankle, belly band, crossdraw, etc.

^^This. Closet rambo looks the type to have brought multiples.

And as to Pinkertons, who in the security biz hires a 5'11" / 145 pound guy to do security? Without that gun he's little more than a mild speed bump for most of the guys I know and hang out with. Obviously, in this altercation he got bitch slapped to the head by the victim, so he obviously hasn't a clue what the hell he's do. And as someone else already noted, Pinkertons and the news station are going to be facing huge lawsuits over this cluster.

October 11, 2020, 04:45 PM

bigdeal

quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
quote:
There's another clear color photo of the murder victim lying on the ground with the murderer standing 10 feet away, gun still pointed at the victim.

This is the point at which somebody in the crowd should have done a mag dump on this POS and saved everyone a lot of time and money.

October 11, 2020, 04:51 PM

Il Cattivo

^^ Same problem the shooter has - there's no imminent threat to justify shooting. Payback for the dead belongs to the courts.

October 11, 2020, 05:04 PM

Lefty Sig

quote:
Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
^^ Same problem the shooter has - there's no imminent threat to justify shooting. Payback for the dead belongs to the courts.

Active shooter incident with one man down and the shooter with most of a magazine remaining (plus any reloads) is justification for deadly force, period. At least in the state of Indiana.

The shooter has shown his intent to kill an unarmed protester that was not a threat. Therefore it is reasonable to believe he may kill any other unarmed protestor.

But I agree, this one needs to go through the courts to remind everyone who is causing the real violence. The Portland shooter's "blaze of glory" 15 minutes is a distant memory now...

October 11, 2020, 05:27 PM

lkdr1989

Hopefully, the Denver DA isn't going to cover for the shooter by using the overcharge defense, so that he gets acquitted.

I'm sure there will be a big civil suit against the shooter, tv station & it's parent company and Pinkerton - if indeed he was not moonlighting.

October 11, 2020, 05:30 PM

sdy

https://kdvr.com/news/local/de...ce-identify-shooter/

Dolloff is being held for investigation of first degree murder, but has not been charged at this time.

9NEWS said 30-year-old Dolloff was a private security guard contracted by them through Pinkerton, but when FOX31 reached out to Denver’s Department of Excise and Licensing we were told there is no one by that who is or ever has been registered as an active security guard in the city.

A spokesperson for the Department of Excise and Licensing told FOX31’s Nicole Fierro that if Dolloff was operating without a license he could face fines and possible jail time.

Denver is one of only three cities in Colorado that requires security guards to be licensed.

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since we have seen so many "still" shots, there must be a clear video of what happened.

October 11, 2020, 05:33 PM

Micropterus

Given the above, there is no way 9News is getting out of this. Pinkerton's might if we wasn't really working for them at the time.

October 11, 2020, 05:33 PM

wcb6092

quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
https://kdvr.com/news/local/de...ce-identify-shooter/

Dolloff is being held for investigation of first degree murder, but has not been charged at this time.

9NEWS said 30-year-old Dolloff was a private security guard contracted by them through Pinkerton, but when FOX31 reached out to Denver’s Department of Excise and Licensing we were told there is no one by that who is or ever has been registered as an active security guard in the city.

A spokesperson for the Department of Excise and Licensing told FOX31’s Nicole Fierro that if Dolloff was operating without a license he could face fines and possible jail time.

Denver is one of only three cities in Colorado that requires security guards to be licensed.

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since we have seen so many "still" shots, there must be a clear video of what happened.

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...t-after-denver-rally

October 11, 2020, 05:34 PM

ragman

In the photo above the shooter looks like a scared rabbit. He looks as if he does not know weather to s*** or go blind.

October 11, 2020, 05:35 PM

phydough

No bond, that’s refreshing.

October 11, 2020, 06:40 PM

P220 Smudge

quote:
Originally posted by ragman:
In the photo above the shooter looks like a scared rabbit. He looks as if he does not know weather to s*** or go blind.

Yeah, that look is pure "I just fucked up" panic realization.

October 11, 2020, 06:40 PM

a1abdj

quote:
who in the security biz hires a 5'11" / 145 pound guy to do security?

I was 6', 140 when I owned my business. I had a few smaller guys that worked for me. It's not the size that counts.

October 11, 2020, 07:08 PM

HayesGreener

Odd that the State does not license security officers. Likely no training in the use of force.

October 11, 2020, 07:22 PM

mikeyspizza

Hard to believe that Facebook is not flooded with posts such as "Deranged left-wing wanna-be Rambo rent-a-cop murders peaceful Patriot protester' like there were about Rittenhouse.

(sarcasm off)

October 11, 2020, 07:29 PM

bigdeal

quote:
Originally posted by a1abdj:
quote:
who in the security biz hires a 5'11" / 145 pound guy to do security?

I was 6', 140 when I owned my business. I had a few smaller guys that worked for me. It's not the size that counts.

Not in all cases, but the laws of physics generally apply. And one look at that clown would confirm that any sort of hand to hand interaction would result in him being rushed to the local ER.

October 11, 2020, 08:03 PM

Modern Day Savage

quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
https://kdvr.com/news/local/de...ce-identify-shooter/

Dolloff is being held for investigation of first degree murder, but has not been charged at this time.

9NEWS said 30-year-old Dolloff was a private security guard contracted by them through Pinkerton, but when FOX31 reached out to Denver’s Department of Excise and Licensing we were told there is no one by that who is or ever has been registered as an active security guard in the city.

A spokesperson for the Department of Excise and Licensing told FOX31’s Nicole Fierro that if Dolloff was operating without a license he could face fines and possible jail time.

Denver is one of only three cities in Colorado that requires security guards to be licensed.

Admittedly, I am no expert on this law, but I question this statement. I'm familiar with an incident (Colorado) in which a individual with a vehicular felony on his record who had been hired by a local security firm not located in Denver, was encouraged to apply for and received the licensing necessary to become an armed guard and carried a firearm while on duty. Unfortunately, he was later involved in an off-duty road rage shooting and is now doing some serious time.

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ETA:
after a quick check it appears that he worked in one of the other jurisdictions that requires licensing of armed guards.

October 11, 2020, 08:11 PM

Expat

There is a buzz regarding the shooter, hired by the news station, and the escorted reporter; both reporter and security detail were acknowledged in several Twitter threads as participants and supporters of Occupy Wall Street demontrations and antifa riots.