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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
issue warrants for their arrest and have the Marshal's hunt them down like feral pigs

The Marshals are federal, though, so it wouldn't be them.

I know this isn't the 19th century, but back in the day, didn't the Texas Rangers travel out of their jurisdiction to apprehend fugitives? I'm afraid my understanding of jurisdiction law is weak, but didn't La Boeuf (Glen Campbell or Matt Damon, according to your preferences) accompany Rooster Cogburn through the Indian Territories in True Grit? Was La Boeuf somehow deputized by the U.S. Marshall's office, and that gave him authority outside of Texas?

I know I'm citing Hollywood here, but it raises the question: Why couldn't the Rangers just go to D.C. and serve the warrants?

I am against both what they did and the arrest warrants.

Just like when the Dems stopped the filibuster on supreme court nominations it came back bite them hard. They learned enough so they did not end the filibuster in the Senate.

This no show is a tactic like the filibuster and the pocket veto.

If you start arresting politicians for not showing up, in the long run it is not good for the Republic.

If their constituents don't like what they are doing they can recall them, or vote them out.

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Originally posted by sig2392:
I am against both what they did and the arrest warrants.

Just like when the Dems stopped the filibuster on supreme court nominations it came back bite them hard. They learned enough so they did not end the filibuster in the Senate.

This no show is a tactic like the filibuster and the pocket veto.

If you start arresting politicians for not showing up, in the long run it is not good for the Republic.

If their constituents don't like what they are doing they can recall them, or vote them out.

The problem with your argument is the oath they took.

"IN THE NAME AND BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, I, do solemnly swear (or affirm), that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office of of the State of Texas, and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States and of this State, so help me God."

This line is crucial in my opinion "that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office of of the State of Texas".

Running away from your duties seems to be lawless to me.

Jim

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
issue warrants for their arrest and have the Marshal's hunt them down like feral pigs

The Marshals are federal, though, so it wouldn't be them.

They can. The Marshal’s Service can work local/state warrants. If it meets the criteria set forth by the Marshals rules. I would bet that these warrants and the charge/charges they are for won’t meet the criteria.

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Originally posted by marksman41:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Part of the Texas Republican delegation did the same thing many years ago, so this isn't a new trick here.

It is a deplorable trick, but not a new one.

When did this occur and what were the circumstances?

Here's what I was able to find about these types of walkouts-

https://ballotpedia.org/Notewo...ative_walkouts#Texas

I think I mistakenly thought the 2003 walkout was by Republicans. I thought I remembered an old one where the Republicans walked out in Texas, but I don't see it either.

Well, the article says "significant walkouts" so who knows what the editors' criteria for significant is. I was just curious if there are other instances that didn't make this list that can be verified somehow.

So, y'all that are in favor of stringing up the walk outs... what would you do if you honestly believe the law that was going to be passed was wrong and unconstitutional and against everything not only you believe in but what our country was founded on?

I'm not taking their side... just saying it depends on how you look at it.

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
So, y'all that are in favor of stringing up the walk outs... what would you do if you honestly believe the law that was going to be passed was wrong and unconstitutional and against everything not only you believe in but what our country was founded on?

File a lawsuit in the proper court and seek an injuction on its implementation until court rules on case. That's what people do when they know the Constitution is on their side.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
issue warrants for their arrest and have the Marshal's hunt them down like feral pigs

Its a VERY slippery slope. You start down that path, and then Trump is in jail for life, and they use arrest powers and incarceration to terrorize. Not very American...

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
what would you do if you honestly believe the law that was going to be passed was wrong and unconstitutional and against everything not only you believe in but what our country was founded on?

My fucking duty, which, no doubt, would not include slithering off into the grass with reptiles.

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I'm not taking their side

No, of course not

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
So, y'all that are in favor of stringing up the walk outs... what would you do if you honestly believe the law that was going to be passed was wrong and unconstitutional and against everything not only you believe in but what our country was founded on?

I'm not taking their side... just saying it depends on how you look at it.

"Stringing up" means escorting them to legislature. No one is going to jail, and there's little chance that they would actually be cuffed. How many do you think would actually resist 'arrest'?

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
So, y'all that are in favor of stringing up the walk outs... what would you do if you honestly believe the law that was going to be passed was wrong and unconstitutional and against everything not only you believe in but what our country was founded on?

I'm not taking their side... just saying it depends on how you look at it.

It depends on the morality of the law. In this case the walkouts are flat wrong.

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It depends on the morality of the law. In this case the walkouts are flat wrong.

They are literally expanding voting ease yet being dragged through the dirt as racists. It's completely nuts. Compared to two years ago they are making voting easier.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
How many do you think would actually resist 'arrest'?

Eh, they're pissy enough that the cops would be prudent to worry about the odd COVID cougher or spitter.

IF they truly believe in their cause in situation the only way out is to walk out.

James Madison called “the tyranny of the majority” was one of the biggest dangers to freedom of the minority.

Elections have consequences.
In some blue state if the republicans walk out there is still a quorum.

I stand by my opinion, it is a viable political tactic.

Oregon Republicans walk out for the third straight year.
https://www.oregonlive.com/pol...19-restrictions.html

Democrats walk out in Texas.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/t...ing-bill-11626110179

Same tactic used by both sides

It's wrong. It's dereliction of duty. It's chickenshit behavior from cowards and those who think the rules apply only to others, and I don't give a fuck whose "side" does it. It's wrong and there's no way around it. They signed up for working within the system, and when they can't get what they want, they run off like a bunch of petulant children.

The position that this is acceptable is indefensible. It's not as if the state can ask the night crew to come in eary and work extra hours. When these fools go running off, everything stops. Shameful

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Originally posted by sig2392:
IF they truly believe in their cause in situation the only way out is to walk out.

If you're a total coward and have no sense of responsibility to the oath you take or the state you represent.

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James Madison called “the tyranny of the majority” was one of the biggest dangers to freedom of the minority.

I do not believe Madison was in any way referring to this sort of situation where politicos pick up their toys and go home.

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Elections have consequences.

Damn straight they do, but that doesn't remove your oath of office and responsibility to the voters that put you there to fight for their interests. Fighting for them does not involve running away.

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Same tactic used by both sides

And I would advocate for punishing both sides the exact same way if they can't contain their cowardice and irresponsibility.

Do your damn job and recognize you don't always get to win. However, if you actually do your damn job you might very well find yourself back in the majority again given people respect those who stand their ground and fight for what they believe in, even if they don't win the final battle ever time.

I really wasn't taking sides and was just looking at it from a different direction but I think putting aside some of y'alls hyperbole I think you are mostly right.... work it through the courts if you think it is wrong..... then again sadly that takes years... reminds me of all the men that got put in prison... back in the early 1860's because they refused to be drafted... damn draft doggers... right? the deal was they never went to court just straight to prison.. never had a trial or saw a judge.... took our supreme court something like 3 years... to say this was unconstitutional.

That might be a plausible argument except that -

- people arrested on Jan. 6 are still awaiting trial, and the court keeps allowing the DOJ to delay and delay and delay (but accept plea deals) on the basis of bullshit excuses about "assembling evidence" that should've been assembled before there was ever an arrest, and

- there's no such thing as "looking at if from a different direction" when the end result is (as it has always obviously been) inevitable and there's absolutely nothing to be accomplished by running off

The democrat party is desperate to convince the public that voting laws that make fraud more difficult are "racist Jim Crowe 2.0". They will use any and all hyperbole and outrageous actions to accomplish this. Never mind the fact that the dems were the party of slavery, Jim Crowe, and the KKK, and the Republicans ended slavery, passed the 13th and 14th amendments, sent troops to force integration of schools, and passed civil rights legislation.

We all know why, and the 2020 election results prove it. States that enacted universal mail in voting and ballot harvesting have been taken over by the dems. Even Orange County CA has been handed over to the dems due to similar practices. If they can turn Texas they get a huge number of electoral votes for the indefinite future.