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So, that was the day SkyNet became self-aware? Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Didn't Winston Smith have one? | |||
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I think not. But then, I cover the cameras on my computers, too. | |||
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| Ammoholic |
I dance naked and sing 99 luftballons in front of mine. I figure is NSA is spying on me I'm going to make them pay for it. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
That's beside the point, though. | |||
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Seeker of Clarity |
I have four. We control the many lamps in our house by voice. I also like the music in the kitchen, and the control of the thermostats, though that isn't fluid and perfected yet. I think the issue is ME and learning the control phrasing better. I understand the privacy concerns should it be hacked. I'll remind everyone that this is no different than any computer with a microphone (and/or camera). There's nothing that your smartphone has that makes it special or immune to the same malfeasance.  | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Hacked? Man, you've bugged your own home with microphones. You don't have to worry about that system being hacked. In years to come, you will be able to replay the audio track of your home life. It'll all be dowloadable from Amazon's servers. Of course no one else will be able to access your recordings. There will be a password, you see, so you know that you're data is completely safe. Sorry, but this, to me, is simply incredible. I just can't get over how very willing people are to plant these things in their home. They say they understand the potential consequences, but I don't think they do, really. If they did, they wouldn't even consider planting these bugs in their home. The day will come that you guys regret doing this. "Perfectly harmless" Right. You bet. And, of course, these remarks are no surprise coming from me, what with me being such a purveyor of conspiracy theories, so you can discount my remarks. You can tell your grandkids one day that it used too be that if a person wanted to order something or call someone, they had to actually pick up a phone and touch it, or....sit down at a ....computer??? Grandpa, really!?? Yes, but Alexa, Echo, Snitch- they all made our lives trouble free. They saved us from having to reach over and pick up a phone. Bugging our home saved us from that Hellish inconvenience. Now we just let the Thought Police manage our lives. So much simpler this way. In my day.... Hoowee  ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
I'm with you, Para: I don't get it, either. I recall when they first came out. "Yeah, like people would actually..." Lo and behold: People actually did. I suppose I should've known better. There is apparently nothing people won't do in the name of "cool" and "convenient." "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| Conveniently located directly above the center of the Earth  |
ah yes, 3 minions of the electronic Apocalypse....when NSA realizes how few are not enthralled with the advantages of cross continental thermostat adjustments on line & the mysteries of ceaseless personalized background sound track for our listening pleasures, while room-to-room Action Sports will dominate the unknowns of AI and the harvest-bots seek low activity credit accounts will sniff out reasons to extend our shopping experience. Casual conversation will become opportunities to alert authorities or order New Stuff. As for our household, perhaps Alexa will advise of a suitable fire-wood stacking app. **************~~~~~~~~~~ "I've been on this rock too long to bother with these liars any more." ~SIGforum advisor~ "When the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change, then change will come."~~sigmonkey | |||
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Do you have a cell phone or an internet computer near you? | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Do you understand that the function of these Echo devices is to listen all the time? You're gonna sit there and tell me you think that's the same thing as having a cell phone? It's not. | |||
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Having done electronic warfare, I can tell you that unless you shield your phone or pull the power pack, the DOD has the capability to turn on the microphone remotely and listen. We aren't allowed to do it in CONUS (other agencies can), we did it down range. Also, we can locate you as well, even if you don't have GPS on the phone. We can also us your meta data to build a link diagram of you and your contacts. Similar can be done with your net capable computer. So yes the cell phone and laptop can do the same thing as you are claiming the Echo can do. The big difference I can see is that Amazon is a private entity and I'm .GOV. If you really want to lose sleep, look at the "network of things" concept. Every network capable item from your watch to your clothing sharing data. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
I am talking about incidental collection of data. If you've "done electronic warfare", then you know that a device that has the sole function of listening is not the same thing as a device that may be manipulated to allow for surveillance. Come on. It's not the same thing. Good grief. Cell phones are universal these days and serve a multitude of functions. I'm not talking about what the government can do when they want to spy on you. I'm talking about people willingly, gleefully planting bugging devices in their own home, the sole function of which is to listen to what's being said! It's incredible to me that people will do this without any thought at all, and when the problem with such systems is pointed out they shrug it off, or counter with questions to which they already know the answer, such as 'do you have a cell phone'. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
It's not even close to the same, man. Not even in the same solar system. Jesus, I'm amazed how many are aware of what these things do and are designed to do in fact and try to rationalize owning one anyway. I'm 100% in agreement with Para; I couldn't agree more as it were. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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I intentionally left out the passive capabilities, because we used the active ones down range. On the passive side between cookie tracking and meta data tracking on your computer, to all the fun stuff your phone can do (geolocating to a business for example), the various private industries from your ISP to Cell phone provider can/is collecting on you. Heck, your bank can look at your transaction to a certain level to see where you go and what you do. You are complaining about a specific device (the echo) when we are already surrounded by surveillance devices, most of whom we have planted out selves. Personally, I think that cell phones are actually worse than the Echo. Social engineering has made it increasingly difficult to live without a cell phone whereas the ECHO is a toy or oddity at this point. | |||
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 You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
You're not listening to me. One more time: If the governemnt wants to spy on you, they can, using a variety of means, including the electronic devices we all possess. OK? Now, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people willingly placing devices in their home, the sole function of which is to listen to whats being said. Data is being collected incidentally. Yet, you know (I guess because you are or were in the service) that this data, collected incidentally, will never be used against you in any way. You know this, because you've "done electronic warfare", and this of course makes you privy to all aspects of covert surveillance and how data is handled, right? I know what you're saying, but you don't seem to understand the point I'm making, and apparently you think that anyone who lacks your experience is unable to see the danger. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
Not a chance I'll put one of those in my home. Hell, I don't even use Siri. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Alienator |
I will pass for exactly what Para and others have been saying. Big data will continue to grow and everything you've done will be available down the road. Want to run for political office in the future, uh oh, anything you've said that might offend someone will be available to those digging dirt on you. You are applying to a new job, uh oh, you said something questionable in the privacy of your own home. It will only get worse are processing power and algorithms improve to dig through big data. SIG556 Classic P220 Carry SAS Gen 2 SAO SP2022 9mm German Triple Serial P938 SAS P365 FDE Psalm 118:24 "This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it" | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
No, instead of taking reasonable precautions, let's get weird and get rid of our cell phones. Jeez louise. I'm just about the least likely person in this forum to buy any conspracy theory. You guys may want to factor that in with what I'm saying in this thread. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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