American idiot gets killified by remote Indian tribe with history of violence against intruders

November 23, 2018, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by clayflingythingy:
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Originally posted by dar185:
The sad thing isn’t the ignorant atheists/agnostics that swarm to these threads.

Odds are my knowledge base of the Bible and early Christianity exceeds yours. I am quite well read going all the way back to my intro classes during my college days. My experience is few Christians have actually done any reading other than church approved Bible verse and approved apologetics. Truthfully, most Christians do not even read the Bible.

Back on topic, the guy wasted his life dying for a fairy tale.

Yup. Spent my youth in the church and have similar experiences and beliefs.

This dude was a moron.

November 23, 2018, 10:29 AM

Dusty78

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Murder is suddenly ok if the indigenous do it to missionaries? If a gang banger kills someone who stepped on the wrong street, we put them in jail. That's what the Indian government ought to do to these guys.

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Is murder ok if someone comes into your house who has the ability to wipe out your entire family? Would you wait and see and if he slaughters your kids or blast away and be cautious? I know what I would do

November 23, 2018, 10:33 AM

Dusty78

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Originally posted by walker77:
At some point every one of us will stand before God to answer for the things we did in life. This man did what he was called to do. Non believers wouldn't understand.

So god wants him to go get killed for no good reason and in doing so accomplish nothing? Some god...glad I’m not a believer; I don’t think I would survive it. I’m sure his grieving family is also glad he’s dead as he was “called” to basically commit suicide

November 23, 2018, 11:01 AM

RGRacing

"compelled by his savior to do this"

a Breaking News headline if I ever saw one.

November 23, 2018, 11:13 AM

sidss1

A cousin of mine was an Indian Administrative Service officer, who was posted to the Andaman Islands in the 1980s. He told me in an email yesterday, that there are 2 tribes in isolated islands in the Andaman chain of islnds that are very isolated, and very hostile to outsiders. Seems, they shoot arrows at people whose boats get near the shore of their islands.
I tend to be torn about this situation. On the one hand I dont like the fact that the guys attack and kill anyone who comes near their island. I think the Indian Govt should send in a batallion of Gurkha troopsr to the island, and show the damn tribals who is boss. Yet on the other hand, I can see their point of view.
But, I still think, a battalion of Gurkha troops will be able to pacify the tribe, if any are left alive after they pick a fight with the Gurkha troopers.

November 23, 2018, 11:40 AM

bendable

Here to make your life perfect ,
weather you like it or not !

November 23, 2018, 11:52 AM

ArtieS

Yes, it's murder. The two fishermen referenced in the article probably didn't want to be there, and probably didn't want to convert anyone to Christianity. I'm pretty sure that all they were trying to do was survive. They ended up on dry land only to be killed by a bunch of xenophobes simply for existing.

The Andaman Islands are the territory of the nation of India. As a country with a legal system based on that of Great Britain, and as a nation that abides by the United Nations guidelines on human rights, you can bet that elsewhere in India, it's not legal to kill people for trespassing, which is what happened here.

Obviously, I disagree that it's ok to kill trespassers simply because these people want to be left alone.

November 23, 2018, 12:14 PM

Pipe Smoker

^^^^^^^
Mr. Chau, in the OP, deliberately went to the island to convert the natives to Christianity. Hardly possible, since, among other things, he didn’t know their language. An idiot venture.

November 23, 2018, 01:41 PM

KevinCW

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
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Originally posted by KevinCW:
It seems very arrogant to me that someone thinks they are entitled to spread their beliefs to another group, especially in this case, obviously without their consent.

All Christians are called to evangelize. But, some people just don't use the brain the good Lord gave them in doing so.

This young fella (sadly he won't get any older) didn't know how to think about this call critically.

I've known people like him...mostly the "born again" type. What they fail to understand is that some (most) people they interact with, and try to evangelize to, don't share the passion that they feel. I don't think it is arrogance, rather, I think it is ignorance that killed him.

I dunno. I would think these folks made it pretty clear they were not interested yet get continued.

November 23, 2018, 01:47 PM

sigmonkey

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Originally posted by ArtieS:...
Obviously, I disagree that it's ok to kill trespassers simply because these people want to be left alone.

While I concur, we have to understand, "their land, their rules".

We are looking it it from our cultural perspective, and not looking at it from theirs.

In their "world", it may be perfectly well and acceptable to kill any outsider that is "feet dry".

And I have no trouble accepting that "truth" exists for that reason.

And I see no reason to step on their place to "fix" that.

Now, if we were going to move in and take over, then we apply as much persuasion as needed to change hearts and minds.

November 23, 2018, 01:53 PM

corsair

An evangelical millennial

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/22...iary-intl/index.html

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"Lord, is this island Satan's last stronghold where none have heard or even had the chance to hear your name?" he wrote.

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"The boat stopped 500-700 meters (1,640 - 2,300 feet) away from the island and (Chau) used a canoe to reach the shore of the island. He came back later that day with arrow injuries. On the 16th, the (tribespeople) broke his canoe.
"So he came back to the boat swimming. He did not come back on the 17th; the fishermen later saw the tribespeople dragging his body around."

While on board, he wrote one final note to his family.
"You guys might think I'm crazy in all this but I think it's worthwhile to declare Jesus to these people," it said. "God, I don't want to die."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06shz6z]A missionary's perspective on the death of John Allen Chau

November 23, 2018, 02:03 PM

mod29

I know how annoying it is when the JWs or Mormons knock on my door.
The fact that no one invited them doesn't seem to matter to them.

If this remote tribe wants to be left alone, that's their business. Leave 'em alone.

November 23, 2018, 02:06 PM

P220 Smudge

Here’s an idea: charge the fishermen with his death.

November 23, 2018, 02:08 PM

mod29

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Here’s an idea: charge the fishermen with his death.

How about chocking this up as someone sticking their nose where it doesn't belong, and not charging anyone?

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November 23, 2018, 02:14 PM

P220 Smudge

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Originally posted by mod29:
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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Here’s an idea: charge the fishermen with his death.

How about chocking this up as someone sticking their nose where it doesn't belong, and not charging anyone?

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The fishermen broke the law taking him there, and after reading that they let him go back to the island twice after being wounded, I have to wonder if there’s some criminal culpability there. There’s folks in this thread saying the islanders need to be arrested and charged with murder, I think the fisherman should have simply pulled anchor and left after he came back the first time instead of continuing to enable his fool’s errand.

November 23, 2018, 02:14 PM

maxdog

It wasn’t about faith. It was about arrogance, narcissism and hubris.

November 23, 2018, 02:32 PM

Dusty78

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Originally posted by maxdog:
It wasn’t about faith. It was about arrogance, narcissism and hubris.

Sadly you just described a large segment of the “faithful” to a T.

November 23, 2018, 02:43 PM

highroundcount

quote:
Originally posted by sigmonkey:
quote:
Originally posted by ArtieS:...
Obviously, I disagree that it's ok to kill trespassers simply because these people want to be left alone.

While I concur, we have to understand, "their land, their rules".

We are looking it it from our cultural perspective, and not looking at it from theirs.

In their "world", it may be perfectly well and acceptable to kill any outsider that is "feet dry".

And I have no trouble accepting that "truth" exists for that reason.

And I see no reason to step on their place to "fix" that.

Now, if we were going to move in and take over, then we apply as much persuasion as needed to change hearts and minds.

I understand where you are coming from, but it appears these folks aren't just waiting for someone to come up on dry land.

From what I read they will take shots at you for even coming close to shore. Heck, they were even slinging arrows at a military helicopter come to check on them.

They're kind of acting like dicks. Maybe for a good reason, but still dicks.

November 23, 2018, 02:55 PM

Sig209

quote:
Originally posted by ArtieS:
Murder is suddenly ok if the indigenous do it to missionaries? If a gang banger kills someone who stepped on the wrong street, we put them in jail. That's what the Indian government ought to do to these guys.

agreed

lots of hypocrisy on this board - funny I doubt if we started discussing the history of the 'American savage' we would get so much sympathy

these murderous savages need to be brought to 21st Century justice - i have no sympathy for them

as to 'diseases could kill them off' I am hard pressed to identify the loss to humanity. hard truth.

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November 23, 2018, 02:58 PM

RHINOWSO

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Originally posted by Micropterus:
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Originally posted by clayflingythingy:
quote:
Originally posted by dar185:
The sad thing isn’t the ignorant atheists/agnostics that swarm to these threads.

Odds are my knowledge base of the Bible and early Christianity exceeds yours. I am quite well read going all the way back to my intro classes during my college days. My experience is few Christians have actually done any reading other than church approved Bible verse and approved apologetics. Truthfully, most Christians do not even read the Bible.

Back on topic, the guy wasted his life dying for a fairy tale.

If you believe the gospel is a fairy tale, it's because YOU are supposed to believe its a fairy tale. You, specifically you, are supposed to think it's silly, unsubstantiated, from the minds of men, contradictory, all that stuff those that don't believe say it is. The bible predicts YOU, specifically you. Your eyes are closed to its truth because they haven't been opened. And you can't open then. At this time, you couldn't believe the bible and gospel contained therein if you wanted to. Some people think belief is a decision. It's not. Belief it a gift. You don't have it. You may receive it in the future, God has his own way of doing things. But if you don't it all works well for those that do believe. You see, the bible doesn't promise the gift of belief to all - very few in fact. Non-belief is just as important in the scheme of things as belief. It all works for the glory of God. God is either glorified in your salvation, or he's glorified in your destruction. Either way, he's glorified.

Yes yes, the self licking ice cream cone.