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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Murder is suddenly ok if the indigenous do it to missionaries? If a gang banger kills someone who stepped on the wrong street, we put them in jail. That's what the Indian government ought to do to these guys.

The Indian government already prohibits interaction with the tribe. The missionary violated that law to go there. Now the government is supposed to go after them? What's the plan? Wipe out the whole tribe?

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
It seems very arrogant to me that someone thinks they are entitled to spread their beliefs to another group, especially in this case, obviously without their consent.

All Christians are called to evangelize. But, some people just don't use the brain the good Lord gave them in doing so.

This young fella (sadly he won't get any older) didn't know how to think about this call critically.

I've known people like him...mostly the "born again" type. What they fail to understand is that some (most) people they interact with, and try to evangelize to, don't share the passion that they feel. I don't think it is arrogance, rather, I think it is ignorance that killed him.

At some point every one of us will stand before God to answer for the things we did in life. This man did what he was called to do. Non believers wouldn't understand.

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Originally posted by walker77:
At some point every one of us will stand before God to answer for the things we did in life. This man did what he was called to do. Non believers wouldn't understand.

I’m a believer and I still think he’s a dumbass.

I've seen the damage missionaries do in South Asia. They go into ancient cultures with no knowledge of their beliefs, values, history, and arrogantly tell them what they should believe. When they find converts, they end up setting family members against one another, those who convert and those who do not.

It's interesting that only the "new" religions proselytize. All the while I was in India, no one ever said to me, "Have you found Krishna?" Jews do not proselytize. Mormonism, one of the youngest religions, makes proselytizing part of the faith, required of all believers. Islam, also relatively new, suggests winning converts at the point of a sword.

This man, to me, epitomizes all that is wrong with missionaries. These people want to be left alone. Period. So, leave them alone. But he knows better what is good and right for them, so he barges in, full of arrogance that is masked as righteousness. I'm not glad that he was shot full of arrows, but I'm not sad about it either.

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Originally posted by walker77:
At some point every one of us will stand before God to answer for the things we did in life. This man did what he was called to do. Non believers wouldn't understand.

Won't he be surprised when God looks like the image painted on the tribesmen's shields and asks him: "What in the heck did you think you were doing to my chosen people?"

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Originally posted by walker77:
At some point every one of us will stand before God to answer for the things we did in life. This man did what he was called to do. Non believers wouldn't understand.

How do you feel when the other believers try to do it to you?

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Murder is suddenly ok if the indigenous do it to missionaries? If a gang banger kills someone who stepped on the wrong street, we put them in jail. That's what the Indian government ought to do to these guys.

Go fill a sock with a bunch of batteries, then self beat yourself. Clean the gene pool for us.

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Originally posted by bigwagon:

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Originally posted by walker77:
At some point every one of us will stand before God to answer for the things we did in life. This man did what he was called to do. Non believers wouldn't understand.

How do you feel when the other believers try to do it to you?

He probably doesn't kill them.

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Originally posted by bubbatime:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Murder is suddenly ok if the indigenous do it to missionaries? If a gang banger kills someone who stepped on the wrong street, we put them in jail. That's what the Indian government ought to do to these guys.

Go fill a sock with a bunch of batteries, then self beat yourself. Clean the gene pool for us.

How dare Artie have an opinion.

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Originally posted by bubbatime:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Murder is suddenly ok if the indigenous do it to missionaries? If a gang banger kills someone who stepped on the wrong street, we put them in jail. That's what the Indian government ought to do to these guys.

Go fill a sock with a bunch of batteries, then self beat yourself. Clean the gene pool for us.

What is your freaking problem? Don't let me ever again see this from you. Count your lucky stars that I didn't boot you for such a comment. That was absolutely uncalled for. Behave yourself. Ridiculous.

Why don't you try addressing the man's questions instead of coming out with such a silly overreaction?

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
Murder is suddenly ok if the indigenous do it to missionaries? If a gang banger kills someone who stepped on the wrong street, we put them in jail. That's what the Indian government ought to do to these guys.

That is a terrible analogy.

A street is public land, owned by the city or county or state, and of course a person has the right to go there. It may not be advisable or wise - like some neighborhoods in East St. Louis or Chicago - but it's not against the law.

This is an island, populated by an indigenous people, who have a demonstrated history of violence to outsiders, and a legal order barring outsiders. It is illegal to go there. In your analogy, the gang-banger is the instigator and is breaking the law. In reality, this guy is the instigator and the one breaking the law. These people aren't super hard to figure out. Their wish is to be left-the-fuck-alone. They are isolated on an island, they aren't coming to anyone asking for money or help or welfare, they only ask to be left alone. Why or how anyone can't understand that is beyond me.

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Originally posted by walker77:
At some point every one of us will stand before God to answer for the things we did in life. This man did what he was called to do. Non believers wouldn't understand.

My thoughts as well.

It is tragic for the young man's family but he did what he was called to do. I am sure he is being consoled by Christ even as we speak.

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Originally posted by dar185:
The sad thing isn’t the ignorant atheists/agnostics that swarm to these threads.

Odds are my knowledge base of the Bible and early Christianity exceeds yours. I am quite well read going all the way back to my intro classes during my college days. My experience is few Christians have actually done any reading other than church approved Bible verse and approved apologetics. Truthfully, most Christians do not even read the Bible.

Back on topic, the guy wasted his life dying for a fairy tale.

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Originally posted by walker77:
At some point every one of us will stand before God to answer for the things we did in life. This man did what he was called to do. Non believers wouldn't understand.

Except, he was possibly a carrier of viruses and/or bacteria that these people had no immunity to. So, in the act of "saving" them he kills them.

Question is, was he serving God or his own ego? Tough question to have to answer to.

The young man unfortunately was a pompous idiot. He no doubt thought it would be a bucket list "adventure", and that he and he alone could enlighten a group of people who have never seen or heard of a TV or car. Who might not have a numerical number system. A group of humans where marriage is not a concept. Who don't know what sarcasm, irony, maybe even love are in the human condition.

Trying to introduce Christianity to them is like bringing them cell phones or Jack Daniels. This way of life is tens of thousands of years before Christ. IMO, this tribe should be left unspoiled, left to their own lives on this tiny island. To suggest what they did as "murder" is laughable. They most likely have no concept of how we categorize killing into different moral concepts.

Murder? They killed a foreign invader. That's effective border control right there. No wall necessary.

These dudes have LONG bows! Some of them have odd-shaped clubs that might be boomerangs. Interesting article.

“Over the years, the message from the natives of the tiny island of North Sentinel in the Bay of Bengal could not have been clearer.

‘Keep away. Go home. Buzz off. Visitors not welcome. We want to be alone.’

Of course they do. The Sentinelese are one of a very few remaining ‘uncontacted peoples’ in the world and they are determined to keep it that way. Which means we know tantalisingly little about their language, their culture, their belief system or even how many of them there are.

But what we do know is that they have lived happily and largely healthily on their tiny, lush, mangrove-swamped 20-square-mile island for at least 30,000 years…”

https://dailym.ai/2QhaUU4

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Which means we know tantalisingly little about their language, their culture, their belief system or even how many of them there are.

At least we know a little more about certain aspects of it haha!

Anyone defending this guy might have missed the fact that he broke Indian law approaching the natives home. He was warned by fishermen that it was dangerous to invade their home. The natives fired volleys of arrows at him to dissuade him from approaching their home, initially driving him away. Despite what he knew and had experienced, he STILL made the decision to approach their home.

Seems he was guilty of the first deadly sin of pride/hubris to think he was righteous enough to do it anyway. Dumbass. A foolish waste of his own life.

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Back on topic, the guy wasted his life dying for a fairy tale.

You are perfectly free to call Christianity a fairy tale as you desire. If I understand your post correctly, you have "studied" the Bible. Perhaps you should consider a recognized curriculum of study.

Perhaps you can explain all the prophecies in the old testament that predicted the birth of Christ, His ministry, His Death, Resurrection and ascension to heaven.

Prophecies that took place 1000s of year before His birth.