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Originally posted by newtoSig765:

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Originally posted by LDD:

...But if IL pols wanted to go after private party transfers, why not pass a universal background check bill? That would be easier to get support for and much less far reaching.

Things are confusing here in IL, but I believe they did this some years back, now requiring that all sales, including private party sales, get reported to the State.

If I'm wrong on this, and FTF is still permissible without reporting, could somebody confirm this for me?

You are correct, but I think family members are exempt, father to son etc.

SA, Inc? Hell, I was sick of those phonies a long time ago. I'm a trendsetter.

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Originally posted by Killer:

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Originally posted by newtoSig765:

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Originally posted by LDD:

...But if IL pols wanted to go after private party transfers, why not pass a universal background check bill? That would be easier to get support for and much less far reaching.

Things are confusing here in IL, but I believe they did this some years back, now requiring that all sales, including private party sales, get reported to the State.

If I'm wrong on this, and FTF is still permissible without reporting, could somebody confirm this for me?

You are correct, but I think family members are exempt, father to son etc.

You may want to re-check this. I haven't done a FTF in a while, but I believe you're responsible for checking the FOID through the Il State Police website. (In essence, a background check)

That's what I thought. We already have universal background check.

FTF private sales in Illinois is possible. The Illinois State Police have a toll free number setup to call and verify a FOID card presented to you is valid. It is not mandatory that you do so at this time. Dems and anti's would like to change that.

I sold a gun to a close friend, I knew his FOID was valid, so I didn't call it in. Another time I sold a gun to someone I didn't know well, so that one I did call in. All it does is tell you if the id (FOID) is valid.

Hope that helps.

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Originally posted by beltfed21:
...The Illinois State Police have a toll free number setup to call and verify a FOID card presented to you is valid. It is not mandatory that you do so at this time ...

I just checked the ISP website and it says "Shall contact", so it's mandatory since Jan 1, 2014.

Illinois really sucks!

Thanks for posting this. I have been debating an EMP 4 Contour for about a week. I love my original EMP but I will not buy a gun from Springfield after reading this. The fact that they lie about it after just pisses me off more.

Too many good guns to buy from good companies to support these spineless traitors. Screw you Springfield, you lost a customer

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While we do believe that IFMA acted in what it felt was the best interests of its members, we were as shocked as everyone else to find ourselves exempted from provisions of SB1657 and that IFMA was no longer opposing that bill, even though RRA still opposed it.

Sorry; not buying this. It reads like ER stories where someone naked is changing a light and falls off a ladder, neatly inserting an intact bulb in their posterior.

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Things are confusing here in IL, but I believe they did this some years back, now requiring that all sales, including private party sales, get reported to the State.

If I'm wrong on this, and FTF is still permissible without reporting, could somebody confirm this for me?[/QUOTE]

You are correct, but I think family members are exempt, father to son etc.[/QUOTE]

You may want to re-check this. I haven't done a FTF in a while, but I believe you're responsible for checking the FOID through the Il State Police website. (In essence, a background check)[/QUOTE]

CPD, here's what I found and I think it means family members are exempt. All the way at the bottom number 2. I would have put it in bold but I don't know how. I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

"Public Act 098-0508

HB1189 Enrolled LRB098 02638 RLC 32643 b

AN ACT concerning criminal law, which may be referred to as
the Gun Safety and Responsibility Act.

Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
represented in the General Assembly:

Section 5. The Firearm Owners Identification Card Act is
amended by changing Sections 3, 3.3, and 8 as follows:

(430 ILCS 65/3) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-3)
Sec. 3. (a) Except as provided in Section 3a, no person may
knowingly transfer, or cause to be transferred, any firearm,
firearm ammunition, stun gun, or taser to any person within
this State unless the transferee with whom he deals displays a
currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card which has
previously been issued in his name by the Department of State
Police under the provisions of this Act. In addition, all
firearm, stun gun, and taser transfers by federally licensed
firearm dealers are subject to Section 3.1.
(a-5) Any person who is not a federally licensed firearm
dealer and who desires to transfer or sell a firearm while that
person is on the grounds of a gun show must, before selling or
transferring the firearm, request the Department of State
Police to conduct a background check on the prospective
recipient of the firearm in accordance with Section 3.1.
(a-10) Any person who is not a federally licensed firearm
dealer and who desires to transfer or sell a firearm or
firearms to any person who is not a federally licensed firearm
dealer shall, before selling or transferring the firearms,
contact the Department of State Police with the transferee's or
purchaser's Firearm Owner's Identification Card number to
determine the validity of the transferee's or purchaser's
Firearm Owner's Identification Card. This subsection shall not
be effective until January 1, 2014. The Department of State
Police may adopt rules concerning the implementation of this
subsection. The Department of State Police shall provide the
seller or transferor an approval number if the purchaser's
Firearm Owner's Identification Card is valid. Approvals issued
by the Department for the purchase of a firearm pursuant to
this subsection are valid for 30 days from the date of issue.
(a-15) The provisions of subsection (a-10) of this Section
do not apply to:
(1) transfers that occur at the place of business of a
federally licensed firearm dealer, if the federally
licensed firearm dealer conducts a background check on the
prospective recipient of the firearm in accordance with
Section 3.1 of this Act and follows all other applicable
federal, State, and local laws as if he or she were the
seller or transferor of the firearm, although the dealer is
not required to accept the firearm into his or her
inventory. The purchaser or transferee may be required by
the federally licensed firearm dealer to pay a fee not to
exceed $10 per firearm, which the dealer may retain as
compensation for performing the functions required under
this paragraph, plus the applicable fees authorized by
Section 3.1;
(2) transfers as a bona fide gift to the transferor's
husband, wife, son, daughter, stepson, stepdaughter,
father, mother, stepfather, stepmother, brother, sister,
nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, grandfather, grandmother,
grandson, granddaughter, father-in-law, mother-in-law,
son-in-law, or daughter-in-law;"

Nothing new here, but it's a resource and another perspective:

http://www.captainsjournal.com...on-licensing-scheme/

Whoa. AR15.com someone looked up the IRS filings for the IFMA. Makes it hard to them to blame the lobbyist since of the four people listed the lobbyist is the only one that isn't from RRA or SA Inc.
Chuck Larson - owner RRA
Dennis Reese - CEO / owner SA Inc.
Tom Reese - Chairman / owner SA Inc.

https://www.ar15.com/media/med.../IMG-1972-200069.JPG

Wow, awesome timing! I was just about to purchase an XD (M) 4.5 OSP. Now I will NEVER purchase from either of these companies. They've lost a customer forever.

Kinda makes Larson's "We were as surprised was anybody else" statement ring a bit hollow, doesn't it?

Hmmm, It seems to get worse.

Though I suppose this could also just be the nature of doing business is Illinois.

Springfield Armory & Rock River Arms Made Campaign Contributions to Anti-Gun Rights Politicians

John Boch
May 2, 2017 39 comments


The gun community continues to react to news of a deal made by Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms to carve out an exemption from a state licensing scheme (SB-1657). Both Springfield and Rock River Arms have issued statements denying any knowledge of the deal negotiated on their behalf by the lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Association (IFMA). An organization funded by Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms.

We can now reveal that Springfield and Rock River have, through IFMA, donated tens of thousands of dollars to Illinois anti-gun politicians over the last several years.

2012

In 2012, IFMA wrote a check for $10,000 to Illinois Senate President John Cullerton‘s campaign fund. The NRA-PVF F-rated Cullerton has stood in the way of pro-gun rights legislation in Illinois for years. He refuses to allow pro-gun rights bills to receive a committee hearing, much less an up-or-down vote on the Senate floor.



The above is from page 8 of the IFMA 2012 IRS Form 990. A search of the Illinois State Board of Elections’ comprehensive list of IFMA political donations reveals no record of that check. Violations of the Illinois Election code are punishable by criminal and civil penalties.

IFMA also donated $1,000 to the Illinois Senate Democratic Victory Fund. That expenditure failed to appear on IFMA’s Federal Form 990 for the year.

IFMA’s $50,000 payment to J Alexander Hunt, Inc. — listed in the 2012 Form 990 — also caught our eye. IFMA’s lobbyist Jay Keller does business under the name J Alexander Hunt, Inc. The company shares a post office box address with IFMA.



Searching for J Alexander Hunt’s political donations at IllinoisSunshine.org reveals that J Alexander Hunt also donated $10,000 to Citizens for John Cullerton. Which means IFMA and J Alexander Hunt combined contributed $20,000 to the Cullerton campaign’s war chest.

The money from Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory channeled through IFMA, however, failed to convince Cullerton to moderate his antipathy to gun rights. Not long after receiving the cash, Cullerton appeared at a gun control event.



2013

Despite the failure of the 2012 contributions to further Second Amendment rights in the Land of Lincoln, the company employed by Springfield and Rock River Arms, J Alexander Hunt, Inc., made a $5,000 gift to Friends of Kwame Raoul, an NRA-PVF D-minus-rated state senator.

IFMA also provided a $3550 in-kind sponsorship for a fundraising golf outing organized by NRA-PVF F-rated Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan, another anti-gun pol.

IFMA sent another $10,000 check to Citizens for John Cullerton, matching their 2012 contribution. Once again, our search of the Illinois State Board of Elections‘ records failed to show the donation.

IFMA dropped $2500 into NRA-PVF F-rated Illinois Senator Antonio Munoz “Citizens for Antonio Munoz” mailbox. That contribution isn’t found in our Illinois State Board of Elections (ISBE) search of IFMA campaign contributions. Neither is the $5,000 donation to Friends of Kwame Raoul. But it was reported on IFMA’s 2013 Form 990.



[Here are IFMA’s form 990s from 2011-2013, courtesy FoundationCenter.com: IFMA’s IRS Form 990 2011, IFMA’s IRS Form 990 2012, IFMA’s IRS Form 990 2013. The Illinois State Board of Elections website is here.]

Clearly, Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms provided financial support to Illinois politicians who vigorously oppose Americans’ natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. The above are just two years’ worth of campaign contributions to those opposed to firearm rights for you and me.

While it could be argued that these payments gave the gunmakers’ IFMA lobbying group access to their “enemies,” there’s precious little to show for their contributions in terms of defending or extending Illinois residents’ gun rights. Whether or not Springfield and Rock River arms should have even made the attempt is a question both companies will soon face from both the industry and consumers.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c...-rights-politicians/

The grade on that down hill plunge gets steeper by the minute..

Anybody who wonders why major corporations like Boeing are moving to Illinois should read Balze Halze's post.

The cost of living in this state is so low because politicians are cheap and readily-available. They're no-more reliable here than anywhere else, but at least they're cheap and available.

Checked-in on one of the arfcom threads. Spotted this:

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In response to Springfield Armory and Rock River Armory's selling out of our Second Amendment rights in exchange for Illinois state anti-gun regulatory exemptions and their support of anti-gun legislators, Gunway will immediate liquidate our Springfield and Rock River inventory, at cost, across our two locations and donate all proceeds to the NRA-ILA to fight for our Second Amendment rights.

"We sell thousands of firearms per year between our two gun shops and ranges and the number of firearms we sell will increase dramatically with our planned growth this year," states Dan Hall, CEO of Gunway, "We categorically denounce Springfield and Rock River's actions. We will no longer stock their products in our stores."

https://www.facebook.com/Gunwa...9787/?type=3&theater

If SA and RRA think that they are somehow getting ahead of this at this time, they better think again.

I'm reminded of a person parking his car on an incline and walking away from it only to realize a second later that he didn't set the parking brake. Right now SA and RRA are like that man running after the car trying to get back in it to stop it before utter disaster strikes. I think they're about to find out that that car is now rolling a bit too fast to catch up to.

I sent SA a message on facebook, asking them why I should ever buy anything from them after their sell-out. I actually got a response:

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Thanks for your message. I want to assure you that Springfield Armory is taking this matter very seriously and is currently investigating the unfortunate actions taken by IFMA.

I’ll be in touch with another update very soon.

Best Regards,

Stefany

Seems they are trying to shift responsibility off on the IFMA; of which they are a major member. . .

They had ONE chance to get out in front of this and head off calamity - they should have, on day one, made an immediate press release accepting responsibility for this mess-up and basically putting themselves at the mercy of the court of public opinion.

I think these attempts to shift responsibility and defer blame will only cement the negative opinions already out there.

How the hell do they explain away donating TWENTY THOUSAND dollars to an F-rated politician? I can't afford to donate $100 to the people I agree with, let alone the assholes that openly champion the removal of my natural rights.