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That she spent 141 days in lockup suggests no one knew what to do with her

I wonder if she was still going strong at day 142?

[quotet]hat she spent 141 days in lockup suggests no one knew what to do with her[/quote]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They know what to do but my guess is she has no insurance and nobody wants to foot the bill.

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Originally posted by slosig:
I don’t know if she is literally insane, or just so incapable of controlling her emotions that she has allowed her anger to control her. At the very least she needs some serious help with anger management. Of course, the option of tossing her in a snake pit and leaving her there for the rest of her life could work too…

I don’t know if this is a popular sentiment here, but I’ve dealt with enough mentally ill folks over the years to believe that she is truly and profoundly mentally ill. Look at the physical reactions she has during the encounter. The jugular venous distention, the 1,000 yard stare, the lack of facial affect at times when she is literally screaming like a banshee. I do feel sorry for her and view her in much the same light as someone with cancer or diabetes, that is, ill but not of their choice. I think she’s got some sort of mental illness, chemical imbalance, whatever that makes her unable to control her faculties and while that may make her unpleasant to be around, I don’t believe it’s by her choice. That’s just my opinion' and worth what you paid for it.

She's crazier'n a shit house rat. I don't need a medical professional to verify that for me and I'd laugh in the face of anyone who tried to tell me I'm wrong on this. I don't need to consult the DSM-5 to recognize wackadoo when I see it.

I really find it far more entertaining to watch the entitled Karens get put in their place in those traffic stop videos. The truly crazy people don't entertain me, because I think the lack of mental health treatment in this country is a tragedy.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

She's crazier'n a shit house rat.

Might be a psycho-ceramic (crack pot).

Reminds me of Wingstop girl.

Not even close

It's amazing the restraint those officers showed against that twat. She needed a punch to the jaw about three minutes into that video.

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:

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Originally posted by slosig:
I don’t know if she is literally insane, or just so incapable of controlling her emotions that she has allowed her anger to control her. At the very least she needs some serious help with anger management. Of course, the option of tossing her in a snake pit and leaving her there for the rest of her life could work too…

I don’t know if this is a popular sentiment here, but I’ve dealt with enough mentally ill folks over the years to believe that she is truly and profoundly mentally ill. Look at the physical reactions she has during the encounter. The jugular venous distention, the 1,000 yard stare, the lack of facial affect at times when she is literally screaming like a banshee. I do feel sorry for her and view her in much the same light as someone with cancer or diabetes, that is, ill but not of their choice. I think she’s got some sort of mental illness, chemical imbalance, whatever that makes her unable to control her faculties and while that may make her unpleasant to be around, I don’t believe it’s by her choice. That’s just my opinion' and worth what you paid for it.

If it’s not her choice, we need mental institutions back.

We can have de-institutionalization only *with* solid police powers to deal with sick people. We can’t have “let the crazies roam free” alone.

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If it’s not her choice, we need mental institutions back.

I really can’t say that I disagree. An alarmingly high percentage of the mentally ill that would have traditionally been hospitalized end up in prison. I don’t think that’s the right solution either. Just because I have empathy for this woman doesn’t mean that I think she should be out and about causing problems. I legitimately believe that we did the seriously mentally ill population a tremendous disservice when we closed the state run mental hospitals, gave the former patients some Thorazine and sent them on their way into society without making sure that they were properly taking their meds or otherwise following up with them. I believe we absolutely can and need to do better. We need to keep the public safe and take care of the mentally ill with appropriate compassion and dignity.

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Originally posted by slosig:
I don’t know if she is literally insane, or just so incapable of controlling her emotions that she has allowed her anger to control her.

As one who works in detention facility and has for 18 years, I'd argue they are the same side. The inability for an adult to not be able to control their emotions to that extent IS a mental health problem in the real world. I don't care if an "expert" agrees with me or not, she is crazy.

Some crazy is recoverable, some is not... many never get the chance as their crazy results in their death before their recovery. High chance she falls into that category.

Across the country, a troubling trend is accelerating: the return of institutionalization – rebranded, repackaged and framed as “modern mental health care”. From Governor Kathy Hochul’s push to expand involuntary commitment in New York to Robert F Kennedy Jr’s proposal for “wellness farms” under his Make America Healthy Again (Maha) initiative, policymakers are reviving the logics of confinement under the guise of care.

Too long to post. LINK https://www.theguardian.com/co...ation-mental-illness

I swear I must be getting old. I have no more patience for these people. After the second get in the car, you're being yanked into the car from the other side. I'm not going to argue with you while your friend is loose behind me.

I've noticed younger cops these days are afraid to go hands on with people and will talk and talk and talk. After a few times, we're done talking, job's going to get done.

I've noticed we're dealing with more and more people that are "sovereign" types. They usually end up with all windows broken and dragged out.

She was in jail that long because her family didn't want to get her out. I had a crazy guy once that I called his mom and said if you come get him, I will give him a personal bond. I need to release him to someone because he's too crazy to just let roam the street. Mom said, nope, he's crazy and your problem now.

Then she tried suing us when he died trying to kill two of our corrections officer. The recorded conversation of her saying, nope, he's crazy and your problem, was very helpful.

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Originally posted by Chowser:
I swear I must be getting old. I have no more patience for these people. After the second get in the car, you're being yanked into the car from the other side. I'm not going to argue with you while your friend is loose behind me.

I've noticed younger cops these days are afraid to go hands on with people and will talk and talk and talk. After a few times, we're done talking, job's going to get done.

I've noticed we're dealing with more and more people that are "sovereign" types. They usually end up with all windows broken and dragged out.

She was in jail that long because her family didn't want to get her out. I had a crazy guy once that I called his mom and said if you come get him, I will give him a personal bond. I need to release him to someone because he's too crazy to just let roam the street. Mom said, nope, he's crazy and your problem now.

Then she tried suing us when he died trying to kill two of our corrections officer. The recorded conversation of her saying, nope, he's crazy and your problem, was very helpful.

When I was a baby cop in cop school I was taught, ask, tell, make.

Ask them to step out (or anything else)
Tell them to step out and explain the consequences.
Make them-self explanatory

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When I was a baby cop in cop school I was taught, ask, tell, make.

That's how I was trained, too, but I don't think that's how they teach it anymore. These days, if circumstances allow, I'll try to reason with them for a while, but if we get to "tell" and they still aren't cooperating, then we're moving right into "make". I honestly don't like fighting people and would much rather talk somebody into cuffs, but as this video demonstrates, it doesn't work for everyone.

Locally, we'd have two options for dealing with a person like this: Jail or an EDO (Emergency Detention Order). Either way, this psycho ain't going to comply, so it's going to be a "make" situation.

Option one (jail) would involve fighting her out of the car, fighting her into cuffs, fighting her into a cage, then dragging her back out at the jail. She's obviously not going to PBT at the jail, so if we get lucky the jail supervisor is reasonable and just sticks her in the restraint chair until she calms down enough to comply with the booking process and then stuck in a padded cell. If he's not, we fight her back into the car and go to the hospital for medical clearance, where she fights us and the medical staff in front of all the people who brought their kids in for fevers and asthma treatments, and then they either sedate and admit her, or we fight her back into the car and go back to the jail with medical clearance paperwork so they'll book her. This ties up three or four officers for several hours and exposes medical staff and the public to her shenanigans all because the jail is more concerned about liability than protecting the public. But at least she's out of circulation until they release her on her own recognizance 48 hours later. Ultimately, she gets a court date a year out, maybe eventually sees a judge, and if we're lucky she gets some court mandated mental health treatment that gets followed up on by probation to make sure she completes it.

Option two (EDO) starts with the same fight into custody, but instead of the jail we go straight to the hospital because none of the psych places will take anybody without medical clearance. Then we fight her in the ER again, while somebody fills out the EDO paperwork. Hopefully at some point during this process she gets sedated so we don't have to keep fighting her. Then she's admitted on a 48 hour emergency detention, however that doesn't mean she stays for 48 hours. All it means is that she has to see a doctor within 48 hours. That doctor can decide to petition a judge for a longer involuntary committal (up to a week, IIRC), or he can kick her right back out on the street an hour after we dropped her off. That happens all the time, and then we're right back to dealing with them again. Worse, there's no judicial follow-up from the hospital that I'm aware of, so no opportunity for a judge to order any kind of ongoing care beyond that initial evaluation. I type reports on every single one that I do, but they don't go anywhere that I'm aware of.

Involuntary comittment laws vary from state. The patient is seen by the psychologist and then there is a court hearing. If the patient meets criteria they spend time in a room with a concrete floor and a hole or bucket for a toilet. Then there is the long wait for an opening at the state hospital{often several months}, The local cops then transport the patient to the state hospital. In a month or so they are back on the street.

Should have sent in a fur missile. Instant compliance.

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Should have sent in a fur missile. Instant compliance.

No way. That shit might be contagious. I would not want my doggie to bite it.