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Essayons
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The kind of nonsense being reported at THIS LINK just drives me nuts.

One of my great hopes for the Trump Administration is that it will be able to reel back the fanatics that generate these egregious governmental abuses.

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Farmer faces $2.8 million fine after plowing field
Damon Arthur , Record Searchlight Published 5:57 p.m. PT May 22, 2017 | Updated 11 hours ago

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A farmer faces trial in federal court this summer and a $2.8 million fine for failing to get a permit to plow his field and plant wheat in Tehama County.

A lawyer for Duarte Nursery said the case is important because it could set a precedent requiring other farmers to obtain costly, time-consuming permits just to plow their fields.

“The case is the first time that we’re aware of that says you need to get a (U.S. Army Corps of Engineers) permit to plow to grow crops,” said Anthony Francois, an attorney for the Pacific Legal Foundation.

“We’re not going to produce much food under those kinds of regulations,” he said.

However, U.S. District Judge Kimberly J. Mueller agreed with the Army Corps in a judgment issued in June 2016. A penalty trial, in which the U.S. Attorney’s Office asks for $2.8 million in civil penalties, is set for August.

The case began in 2012 when John Duarte, who owns Duarte Nursery near Modesto, bought 450 acres south of Red Bluff at Paskenta Road and Dusty Way west of Interstate 5.

According to Francois and court documents, Duarte planned to grow wheat there.

Because the property has numerous swales and wetlands, Duarte hired a consulting firm to map out areas on the property that were not to be plowed because they were part of the drainage for Coyote and Oat creeks and were considered “waters of the United States.”

Francois conceded that some of the wetlands were plowed, but they were not significantly damaged. He said the ground was plowed to a depth of 4 inches to 7 inches.

The Army did not claim Duarte violated the Endangered Species Act by destroying fairy shrimp or their habitat, Francois said.

The wheat was planted but not harvested because in February 2013 the Army Corps of Engineers and the California Central Valley Regional Water Quality Control Board issued orders to stop work at the site because Duarte had violated the Clean Water Act by not obtaining a permit to discharge dredged or fill material into seasonal wetlands considered waters of the United States.

Duarte sued the Army Corps and the state, alleging they violated his constitutional right of due process under the law by issuing the cease and desist orders without a hearing. The U.S. Attorney’s Office counter-sued Duarte Nursery to enforce the Clean Water Act violation.

Farmers plowing their fields are specifically exempt from the Clean Water Act rules forbidding discharging material into U.S. waters, Francois said.

However, according court documents filed by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Sacramento, the tractor was not plowing the field. Rather, it was equipped with a ripper, with seven 36-inch ripper shanks that dug an average of 10 inches deep into the soil.

Also, the U.S. Attorney alleges, Duarte ripped portions of the property that included wetland areas.

The ripping deposited dirt into wetlands and streams on the property, in violation of the Clean Water Act, according to documents filed by the U.S. Attorney.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Gregory Broderick said he could not comment on the case and referred questions to his office’s public affairs department, which did not call back Monday.

However, documents filed in court explain some of the rationale behind the government’s case.

“Even under the farming exemption, a discharge of dredged or fill material incidental to the farming activities that impairs the flow of the waters of the United States still requires a permit, because it changes the chemical, physical and biological integrity of the waters,” the U.S. Attorney said in court filings.

The creeks also flow into the Sacramento River, home to endangered salmon.

In addition to civil penalties, the attorney’s office is also asking the judge to order Duarte to repair the damage to the wetlands, including smoothing out the soil and replanting native plants in the wetlands.

He may also be required to purchase other wetlands to compensate for the alleged damage to the property south of Red Bluff, according to the U.S. Attorney’s proposed penalties.

Francois said he thought the proposed penalties were unfair because his client thought the plowing exemption allowed him to till the soil.

“A plain reading of the rules says you don’t need a permit to do what he did,” Francois said. “How do you impose a multimillion penalty on someone for thinking the law says what it says.”


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Sap
 
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EPA's extension of the term "Waters of the United States" to SEASONAL wetlands is an outrageous abuse of power. Yes, Scott Pruitt will very likely reverse this.


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I worked for a company several years ago. The owner bought a piece of land and wanted to raze both houses (main and guest) to build a Main and guest house that suited his taste. On the property was a tennis/basketball court. As the previous owner had vacated in the fall before selling, leaves had accumulated over the drain and the courts flooded.

The EPA declared it a wetland and forbade him from clearing the drain and removing water from the precious natural wetland (tennis court). After a lengthy court battle he had to build an artificial pond of the size of the 'pond' or larger. He was pretty pissed.




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If I want to do certain things on my property I need a permit too. My friend in a. With irony city, they won't allow him to build a carport for hail purposes. City building inspector, electrical inspector, etc. it ain't just farms. But that potential fine imposed is ridiculous. If that man pays his taxes and ain't hurting people, gtfo.



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Posts: 12655 | Location: Down South | Registered: January 16, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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My Dad had more dealing with the EPA than I, he was HazMat here for Chgo Fire for a few years.
He came home after a few runs that had to do with the EPA, and always said the same thing: "They scare the shit out of me."

My only dealing with the EPA was an eye-opener.

Kid from U of Chicago (Fermi-Lab, Physics) wanted to commit suicide. So, Boy-Genius decides he's going to make a thermo-nuclear device to help shed his mortal coil. Uses the radioactive element in a smoke detector, anti-freeze and some other shit... Calls 911 "I want to die, bla, bla, bla, don't come in here... yada-yada, radioactive...."

He lived in a rented apartment in a 6 flat in Hyde Park.

Fire Dept get's to the scene first, I guess one of the Firemen was HazMat but assigned to an Engine, and knew what the kid was talking about, and knew it would work! Eek They kinda saved the kid, and kinda saved the day.

There was some readings on the Geiger counter, and SOMEONE called the EPA in on this. It then looked like a scene from the movie "Men in Black"! Dudes in suits and dudes in cargo pocket khakis all over the place. The bosses on the CFD got REAL quiet. The EPA declared the area a HazMat zone (because of alleged radioactive material), and stated that there's like only 4 companies licensed to clean up HazMat zones like this... Here's there contact information...

The Landlord asked how much is this going to cost.
Mr. EPA Dude in suit stated something to the effect of "It usually starts at $500,000".

I don't think that it's covered under your Homeowners Insurance.


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The EPA's desire to save the endangered Square Jawed Fuckwidgit should in NO way fall on the private landowner. Wanna save it? Put it in your backyards assholes!

What's next? Suing rainclouds because they caused the mudslide that closed Hwy 1 and some fell into the ocean?


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We can dream that Trump can fix shit like this with the reduction/elimination of the EPA.
 
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Hey, guys. . .

Give them a break! They actually believe this silly shit.

I vaguely recall some equally silly shit back when Mt. St. Helens erupted. Gubbermint was giving farmers, ranchers and various city gubbermints a ration of shit about actually removing the ash.


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Posts: 25644 | Location: Virginia | Registered: December 16, 2001Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Recall the oft told story about Red Adair who was hired to put out an oil field fire in Louisiana.

As they were getting set up, the Feds from EPA and OSHA show up, order him to stop, it's unsafe, you have to do this, do that, these reports, those permits, yamma, yamma, yamma.

Adair told them he'd be back at the hotel, and he and his crews got in their trucks and left, leaving the fire raging out of control, $5 million a day.

It wasn't long before the phone rang, he was invited to come back, forget about all that stuff.




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When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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unfortunately I used to be a contractor that worked on EPA projects and I have to tell you I lost any and all respect for ANYTHING the EPA tried to do when I discovered their games

company's working on remedial action plans to clean up spills would have their plans denied over a simple typo or grammatical error

why?

because then the lawyers could assign penalties and fines for missing deadlines

why?

the EPA was about revenue enhancement and the environmental aspect was just a foot in the door and an excuse

the straw that broke the camels back was when the EPA declared that a tire track that was 40-years old and had a plant growing in it due to rainwater was now a wetland that had to be protected - that was the end

it was no longer about science, they had been perverted by greed and lust for power

the EPA can be entirely eliminated from the planet and we won't see a single negative side effect of any consequence

I hate them as much as I hate DHS and TSA



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This is the sort of federal fuckwittery that is eventually get some fed bureaucrats shot.



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one can only hope



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