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Political Cynic![]() |
I've read two entirely different articles, each with the opposite conclusion it said that Apple never found any devices on the boards, but it didn't tell you that Apple wasn't looking foe devices on the boards - it left that up to Supermicro now, the one sure-fire way to prove or disprove the allegations is to produce a motherboard that has the chip on it this is a binary problem - it has only a two answer solution are their chips on the boards that assist the Chinese in data gathering? thats either a yes or a no answer, no maybe's no greys, its black and white [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Spengler (David Goldman) has an article on PJ Media in response to the Bloomberg article:
Link _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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Oh stewardess, I speak jive. ![]() |
An obvious, otherwise superfluous, chip that doesn't belong would be the most obvious and brazen of approaches and also the least likely, fwiw. Whether or not this case winds up proven or not, the threat remains the same. A Core i7 CPU chip has 731,000,000 transistors in it. Who can say whether the one in your home computer has that many or perhaps 751,000,000 instead? Or whether or not one with the normal number of transistors is tweaked to use only 701,000,000 instead, leaving the remainder (a little brain of its own, in a sense) to do other things that the rest of your computer isn't even paying any attention to... and who knows how many other similar things might be going on. Hacked SATA controllers that carve off part of the OS drive, etc. It would cost more than most computers are worth to even do a half-assed job at taking a look. And therein lies one of the many associated problems. It's too complex for your average person, and labor rates add up too quickly for professional assistance. On the whole, Information Security is worse than a dog perpetually chasing it's own tail. Short of locking air-gapped servers in some Cheyenne Mountain boonker there isn't much we can do, without significant inconvenience which would effectively undo most of what's good and convenient about these devices. We really do need to manufacture these things domestically, and change our habits from GottaHaveNewToys to SecureAndReliable instead | |||
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I worked as an engineer in the semiconductor industry for several years so my recollection may be a wee bit fuzzy but This isn't at the chip level. The cost of real estate on a chip is enormous even at 10 micron geometry (give or take a micron or two), and that means that with a 14-layer or better chip, the cost of manufacture goes up a lot. This is at the board level. The chip they made is mounted on the physical hold-in-your-hands board. But because its small, and boards are very densely packed, unless you knew what to look for, or had a way of detecting an abnormal test then its very possible to put not only one, but perhaps several. And at the board level one could park an entire ASIC on the board and no one might be the wiser. Simply mark it as something it isn't but might otherwise be normal. [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Oh stewardess, I speak jive. ![]() |
Oh I agree, this particular story is definitely like you're describing. | |||
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Big Stack |
But the board would have to be designed to accommodate the chip. This means that there would have to likely be several people in the design - production chain that would likely have had to know about it.
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not really - the board is a lot easier to lay out than even the smallest ASIC chip and because it was an SMT chip, it needed three leads...those leads could have come from anywhere and be routed in any way desired to hide its purpose apples and bananas comparison though [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Samsung designed and made in South Korea. That is as close as your gonna get. | |||
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Similar chip found embedded inside an Ethernet connector housing: https://www.bloomberg.com/news...m?srnd=technology-vp RB Cancer fighter (Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma) since 2009, now fighting Diffuse Large B-Cell Lymphoma. | |||
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10mm is The Boom of Doom ![]() |
We need to phase out, and ultimately ban, all Chinese electronics. Costly? Yes. But the alternative is far more costly. At least the Trojans didn't know there were Greeks hiding in the horse. We fucking know. But do it anyway because it's cheaper. God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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Oh stewardess, I speak jive. ![]() |
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