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Originally posted by doublesharp:
Put marijuana legalization to the vote and legalize wins most every time.

In the most recent election in November 2022, it was on the ballot in 5 total states. 2 states passed it and it failed in 3 states.

40% is not "most every time".



It was shot down in Arkansas with 56.25% voting "No".

Same with South Dakota where 53% voted "No".

Same with North Dakota where 55% voted "No". (For the second time in a row, even.)

I don't have any more of a problem with pot smokers than I do with those who drink alcohol. The same rules should apply though. Don't handle a firearm, go to work, or drive under the influence. Otherwise, I couldn't give a shit less if somebody drinks a beer, or smokes a joint while sitting at home watching the Simpsons.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by doublesharp:
Put marijuana legalization to the vote and legalize wins most every time.

It was on the Arkansas ballot in November 2022, and was shot down with 56.25% voting "No".

Same with South Dakota in November 2022. 53% voted "No".

Same with North Dakota in November 2022. 55% voted "No".


So in November 2022, 2 states passed it, and it failed in 3 states. 40% of the time is not "most every time".

Lost in KY as well the last time it was on the ballot. Governor recently approved medical marijuana by executive fiat. Because it will never make it by the voters and certainly not the legislators.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by doublesharp:
Put marijuana legalization to the vote and legalize wins most every time.

In the most recent election in November 2022, it was on the ballot in 5 total states. 2 states passed it and it failed in 3 states.

40% is not "most every time".



It was shot down in Arkansas with 56.25% voting "No".

Same with South Dakota where 53% voted "No".

Same with North Dakota where 55% voted "No". (For the second time in a row, even.)

Here's some more figures for you - Read em and Weep

https://www.mpp.org/issues/leg...juana-policy-reform/

Cannabis Legalization Legislation
States with proposed bills to legalize cannabis for adults: 13 + U.S. Virgin Islands

Delaware — HB 1 would legalize simple possession of cannabis for adults 21 and older. HB 2 would legalize and regulate cannabis sales. The House Health and Human Development Committee passed HB 1 on January 24 and is now on the House floor, where it needs 21 votes (a simple majority). On January 25, the House Revenue and Finance Committee approved HB 2, which must now be considered by the House Appropriations Committee before heading to the House floor, where it will need 25 votes (⅗) to pass because it includes taxes and fees.

Hawaii —HB 1216, HB 1425, HB 237, SB 375, SB 1043, SB 464, and SB 669 would legalize and regulate cannabis for adults 21 and older. HB 452 would send voters an advisory referrendum, if passed.

Indiana — HB 1039 would legalize medical and adult-use cannabis. SB 70 would decriminalize up to an ounce of cannabis.

Iowa — SF 73 would legalize and regulate cannabis for adults. SB 70 would remove all penalties for possession of up to an ounce. HB 1297 would remove all penalties from up to two ounces of cannabis. HB 1356 would remove all penalties from up to two ounces and five grams of cannabis, but would also set an unscientific 10 nanogram/ milliliter per se limit for driving with THC in one’s system.

Kentucky — HB 22 and SB 51 would legalize and regulate cannabis for adults. HB 47 would legalize cannabis possession for adults. HB 48 proposes referring to voters a constitutional amendment to legalize cannabis for adults.

Minnesota — H.F. 100 and S.F 73 would legalize and regulate cannabis for adults. H.F. 100 has advanced out of two committees as of Jan. 23, 2023, but has several more committee stops before the House floor.

Minnesota — H.F. 100 and S.F. 73 would legalize and regulate cannabis for adults. H.F. 100 has advanced out of five committees as of Jan. 31, 2023, and S.F. 73 has passed out of three. Both have several more committee stops before the House and Senate floor.

Mississippi — HB 338 would legalize and regulate cannabis for adults. SB 2097 would legalize possession of up to 70 grams of cannabis for adults without setting up a regulatory system. SB 2771 would also legalize cannabis without setting up a regulatory system.

Nebraska — LB 634 would legalize and regulate cannabis.
HB 639 would legalize and regulate cannabis for adults, with private sales. HB 544 and HB 643 would legalize cannabis for adults and have a state monopoly on retail sales. HB 639 and HB 544 were referred to the Commerce and Consumer Affairs Committee.

South Carolina — S 211 would legalize and regulate for adults.

Tennessee — HB0085 and SB0168 would set up the regulatory structure for cannabis for adults

Texas — SB 209 would legalize and regulate cannabis for adults. SJR 22, HJR 91, and HJR 89 proposee referring a "constitutional amendment directing the legislature to authorize and regulate the possession, cultivation, and sale of cannabis to voters on November 5, 2024. SB 208 would remove penalties for up to an ounce, and reduce other penalties.

West Virginia — HJR 21 would refer to voters a state constitutional amendment to legalize cannabis

U.S. Virgin Islands — Bill No. 34-0345 would legalize and regulate cannabis for adults. The Senate passed a legalization bill by 11-1 and sent it to Gov. Albert Bryan Jr. (D), who is a vocal supporter of legalization.

In addition, a legalization ballot measure has qualified for the March 2023 ballot in Oklahoma. In Ohio, the first stage of signature gathering for a ballot measure is complete. As part of that formal process, the Ohio Legislature first has four months to decide whether to act on the issue. If it does not pass legalization by early May, there will be a second phase of signature gathering to put the measure on the November 2023 ballot.

Twenty-one states, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, and the U.S. Virgin Islands have already passed laws to legalize and regulate cannabis.
In addition, a legalization ballot measure has qualified for the March 2023 ballot in Oklahoma. In Ohio, the first stage of signature gathering for a ballot measure is complete. As part of that formal process, the Ohio Legislature first has four months to decide whether to act on the issue. If it does not pass legalization by early May, there will be a second phase of signature gathering to put the measure on the November 2023 ballot. Twenty-one states, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, and the U.S. Virgin Islands have already passed laws to legalize and regulate cannabis...

And? Listing proposed legislation doesn't help you to prove that legalization gets passed "most of the time" that it's put to a vote, which was your contention.

Hundreds/thousands of bills get proposed every legislative cycle, most of which are never enacted. Just because there's a number of potential legalization bills being considered in various states doesn't mean that all of them, or even most of them, will make it all the way to being signed into law.

Besides, a number of these bills are just about whether to refer the issue to the voters by placing it on the ballot. So those in particular would have even further to go, needing to be passed by the various subcommittees (one hurdle), then passed by the body (second hurdle), then often passed by the state's other legislative body (third hurdle) then signed by the governor (fourth hurdle), and then still passed by a majority of the voters (final hurdle).

At any step along the way, those bills could be shot down, or even just die through inaction.

yeah, the bills got to clear committee but the fact that they are even considered shows the worm has turned - same ol story - follow the money.

politicians are not going to let borders deprive them of tax revenue for long and the old reefer madness voters have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.

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Originally posted by doublesharp:
Like it or not cannabis is here to stay and most like & will vote for it. Whitmer wouldn't be gov of Michigan except she ran on legalizing pot and now she's in. Colorado too. Put marijuana legalization to the vote and legalize wins most every time.

Confirmation Bias much...This statement 'wreaks' (pun intended) of it, as does your 'Read em and Weep' post about all of the proposed bills that NOBODY has voted on! You can't support your argument with made up facts, or those NOT in evidence!

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by doublesharp:
Like it or not cannabis is here to stay and most like & will vote for it. Whitmer wouldn't be gov of Michigan except she ran on legalizing pot and now she's in. Colorado too. Put marijuana legalization to the vote and legalize wins most every time.

Confirmation Bias much...This statement 'wreaks' (pun intended) of it, as does your 'Read em and Weep' post about all of the proposed bills that NOBODY has voted on! You can't support your argument with made up facts, or those NOT in evidence!

21 states legal in some form - just takes 5 more and that makes most.

You saying the trend is not toward legalization? Even using ALL CAPS does not make that so.

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Originally posted by doublesharp:
21 states legal in some form - just takes 5 more and that makes most.

You saying the trend is not toward legalization? Even using ALL CAPS does not make that so.

I said NOTHING of the sort...Just stated that you're making things up to support your narrative!

How many of those 21 states have legalized for 'Medical Use Only'? Same question re: 'Decriminalization'? Those measures of 'legalization' aren't actually legalization...Just Sayin'

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
How many of those 21 states have legalized for 'Medical Use Only'? Same question re: 'Decriminalization'?

None. doublesharp's number is accurate. There are currently 21 states where recreational marijuana use is legal:

Colorado
Washington
Alaska
Oregon
California
Maine
Massachusetts
Nevada
Michigan
Vermont
Illinois
Arizona
Montana
New Jersey
New York
Virginia
New Mexico
Connecticut
Rhode Island
Maryland
Missouri

(Plus Washington DC and Guam, though ya'll are talking about states specifically.)

Then there's an additional 18 states where recreational marijuana isn't legal, but medicinal marijuana is legal and/or simple marijuana possession has been decriminalized to one extent or another.

Being accurate with evidence is a necessity for both sides of the argument.

doublesharp is correct with his statement that "the trend is towards legalization". Whereas I still disagree with his statement that legalization votes pass "most of the time".

I think the 21 early adopters were mostly the low-hanging fruit, whereas further legalization in other states is going to be a much more uphill battle, as evidenced by multiple marijuana-related bills and ballot measures being shot down in many of those states in recent years.

Just note how many of the 21 states in which is is already legalized are blue vs. red states. Seems like legalization has followed political lines fairly closely so far, although not 100%. (Montana, Missouri, Alaska are red states that have passed it, whereas blue states like Delaware, Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Minnesota have yet to do so.)

^^^I'm not 'arguing' anything...I asked a question, that's all. Doublesharp stated 'legal in some form' which was quite nebulous, so clarification of how legal was defined was necessary as it kinda 'begs the question'.

https://www.politico.com/news/...lth-effects-00081178

Article suggests there is MORE regulation on the way and concern over health effects.

Refer back to this thread a year from now and tell me what you find with regards to cannabis and state laws.

We crossed the Rubicon some time ago.

We shall see. We will probably see more legalization but also more regulation. Surprisingly little research has been done on long term effects and the impact on the motoring public. There is simply no agreed upon method of testing drivers impaired by cannabis. Opiates, benzos, barbituates and the like have clear methods of testing.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
We shall see.

We've already seen. There is no way for the Federal government to halt the momentum.

Prohibitions do not work

I am not for prohibition. I also do not drink or smoke weed. Do not think smoking weed should bar you from owning a firearm.

I think we have done insufficient study of the long term effects. It is certainly addictive and causes problems for teens and their developing brains. Hyperemeis is seen fairly frequently in our ER. THe docs did not recognize it because it was rare. COPD is fairly common among regular users.

In American regulation comes later. A good example is the problem with teen vaping.

Once the genie is out of the bottle, it’s never going back inside. Between medical and recreational, we’re already more than half way there. Cigarettes kill almost half a million people in the US each year and they’re going strong. Even with adverse health effects, weed’s here to stay.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I am not for prohibition. I also do not drink or smoke weed. Do not think smoking weed should bar you from owning a firearm.

I think we have done insufficient study of the long term effects. It is certainly addictive and causes problems for teens and their developing brains. Hyperemeis is seen fairly frequently in our ER. THe docs did not recognize it because it was rare. COPD is fairly common among regular users.

In American regulation comes later. A good example is the problem with teen vaping.

We can ban vaping I guess, to protect the teens, rather than have a law against it, for the young'ins.
We can ban MAture video games. We can ban smoking. We can ban all porn. We can try again to ban alcohol, but for the chirrin.
My point being, these are all against the law (age restricted) and always have been but you are pretending it's the legalization of MJ that is suddenly letting them have access. Unlike the others?

Hey. I am not for banning anything. Are you?
We can try again to ban alcohol, but for the chirrin.
My point being, these are all against the law (age restricted) and always have been but you are pretending it's the legalization of MJ that is suddenly letting them have access. Unlike the others?
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Tell me where I said something like that.