PHpaul and I were on very similar tracks simultaneously.

My mind was set on an F350 supercab 8' box.

The trading of my Tundra and F150 was with in the ball park and the deduction off msrp was good. So agreement reached. Reviewing docs. it says F250, Huh.
He did send me the sticker and sure enough, F250.
I told him on the lot I wanted a F350 originally.

So my question is do I blow this up at this stage. I want to, but reviewing this F250 an "Payload package upgrade." And a "On board scales and smart hitch." and power scope trailer mirror.
Also has the 10,600lb GVWR package.

Salesman said it has a 4200lb payload.

This truck has the 7.3L gas motor
and the 4.30 Electronic Locking axle.

It also has a brake controller
Trailer sway control.
Trailer tow mirrors.

So is this basically a F350?

Occasionally I would need to tow 12,000 lbs.

I think this F250 is set up to tow. Or should I pass.

Everything else is a go.

It’s not an F350. I bought a F250 and should have got a F350. The ride in modern trucks is t that different and the cargo capacity is wildly different. My F250 has the upgraded weight and has a cargo capacity of 1800 lbs a similar G350 is around 4k.

F250 doesn't have the overload springs, and even adding airbags, it's just not the same. Towing wise, I wouldn't be too concerned...tongue weight is the concern. Tongue weight and what you'll have in the bed at the same time.

I've got an F250, with all the tow upgrades, its' still not an F350. I knew that when I ordered it though.

Says max payload is 4164 lbs and tow cap. is 17,200 lbs.

Seems like 2500-3000lbs in the bed with a regular people and trailer tongue weight load should be no problem normally.

I have an older F250 w helper springs. We should have bought an F350 for the extra tongue weight capacity.

Thanks guys. The 10600 lb gvwr upgrade is refers to the high capacity axle upgrade.

I think in whole this is a solid heavy duty rig configured exactly the way I want. Had my heart set on the F350. This will do everything and more than I need. And the price is excellent. This heavy duty F250 is going to be good to go.

Have the salesman send you a picture of the stickers, both of them, from the door jamb of the Driver's side door.

That 4,200lb payload number is from a truck like PHPaul's which weighs about 6,200lbs. The crew cab is going to be 1,000lbs more at about 7,200lbs. 10,600 GVWR - 7,200lbs gives you 3,400lbs of payload.

Sorry, you posted Super Cab and I missread that as crew cab. I don't know the weight difference between regular cab and Super Cab or Super Cab and crew cab. Maybe it is 4,200lbs of payload. Also, since it's a Super Cab, I believe the stickers are actually on front edge of the rear driver's side door. There's no door jamb for the front door.

The door stickers will be the as built numbers which include all the options on that particular truck.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

Had my heart set on the F350.

A new truck costs quite a bit. I think this is the answer. If you had your heart set on a F350... Get what you want.

I'd agree with having the dealer send you the sticker on the drivers door jamb.... What the salesman says can (and usually is) different than what the reality is. The sticker tells you the reality.

Lots of salespeople are lazy and/or lacking in product knowledge. Some will lie to make a sale. I never take a salesperson’s word without checking its accuracy for myself. The advice about checking the door sticker is good advice.

First go online and look at the Ford Towing guide. It will tell you what you need to know. And if you can get the door stickers it would be even better as that will be the actual truck as configured. I have a couple of 350's and a 250 and with respect to towing tag the differences are minor. You probably are not going to get 2.5-3K in the bed but you have to run the numbers. I took a quick look and it seems to show 250 (assume 4x4) supercab with 7.3 and 4.3 is 18.2 of towing and a gcwr of 26000. And payload of 3K. so at 12K towing and 10.6K you probably have 1800 for everything else.
But you need to run the numbers.

Thanks for all the info guys. My dealer is doing a dealer trade to bring this truck in.

I will not be towing $12k very often. And when doing so will not be hauling much else in the truck.
My camper and boat combo will 1800 lbs and 4200 lb.
The 7.3L combined with the 4.30 gears will make a great combo for when I do.
The rest of this F250 package should be more than up to what I will require of it.

I will get a pix of the door info guys.

It’s not always possible to make a 3/4 ton pickup as capable as a 1 ton pickup. There are upgrades you can do but sometimes the rear axle and differential gears are different. Just adding leaf springs isn’t sufficient if the axle and differential gears aren’t the same. Also, sometimes the frame is gusseted more and sometimes the brakes are different. I’ve seen guys make those upgrades to a truck they like but it can be more expensive than just buying a 1 ton.

I think it depends on what you intend to do with it. Towing with too little truck happens a lot. I’ve seen a 2500 Ram hotshotting with a gooseneck car hauler with three vehicles piggybacked. It appeared to be fine, but that’s an assessment made on my way by. Who knows what was happening mechanically or if the conditions became adverse. I have a 3/4 ton Duramax LBZ. I love it, but wish it were a 1 ton. My question to solve is, do I upgrade everything to make it a 1 ton or do I just buy one?

Is they any way I can look up this truck with the vin. If so, how? Thanks guys.

From at least 2011 to now, there's no difference in the axles between an F250 and SRW F350 equipped with the same engine and gearing.

The difference is the F350 gets 25psi more in the rear tires, has a 4" spacer block instead of a 2" one between the rear axle and springs, and an extra spring or two in the rear spring back along with brackets on the frame that engage one of the extra leafs on each side when the truck is loaded.

If you're not towing a 5th wheel or a gooseneck, the payload number really isn't going to matter much unless you plan on towing the 12,000lb trailer with a whole bunch of stuff in the bed.

Seriously, an F250 with the 7.3 with 4.30 gearing is going to tow a 12,000lb equipment trailer with no issue.

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Seriously, an F250 with the 7.3 with 4.30 gearing is going to tow a 12,000lb equipment trailer with no issue

This is 100% correct and from a practical standpoiont a 350 makes no difference.
This you need to check...My camper and boat combo will 1800 lbs and 4200 lb... That leaves you about 800 lb for everything else, which may be ok or not.

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This is 100% correct and from a practical standpoiont a 350 makes no difference.
This you need to check...My camper and boat combo will 1800 lbs and 4200 lb... That leaves you about 800 lb for everything else, which may be ok or not.[/QUOTE]

Not sure I get that. hrcjon? That does not seem right. Towing a 4200lb boat and hauling an 1800 camper is that close to maxing out the payload?
Maybe so.

Is camper a truck bed camper? If so, then 3,000 - 1,800 - 420 = 780lbs of payload left over for everything else. The 420 is 10% of the boat trailer that would be born by the truck as tongue weight.

With a GVWR of 10,600lbs, I think the payload number is going to be closer to 3,600lbs. I spent some time online trying to find a payload sticker for a similar truck with no luck. I found several short bed crew cabs with the 7.3 that were around 3,300.

What kind of trailer is the 12k one: conventional or gooseneck?

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Thanks guys. The 10600 lb gvwr upgrade is refers to the high capacity axle upgrade.

I think in whole this is a solid heavy duty rig configured exactly the way I want. Had my heart set on the F350. This will do everything and more than I need. And the price is excellent. This heavy duty F250 is going to be good to go.

If the F250 meets your needs and is in your budget go with the F250 but if not then the 350 should be your choice.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Is they any way I can look up this truck with the vin. If so, how? Thanks guys.

Do you know the dealer thats trading to your dealer, if so then the truck should be listed on their web page, you should be able to see all the information online.

Let the selling dealer know you'd like to look at the trucks Moroney Sticker and all information online before consummating the deal, you can look at Rush Truck Center, huge big truck dealer with multiple locations.

They have lots of inventory and you can compare basic specs, they have over 100 F350/F250 Supercabs in stock nationwide, probably find one similar to yours, at least to settle the towing capacity differences.

F350 Supercab

F250 SuperCab

Thanks guys, Yes the camper is a truck camper. The trailer is a bumper pull 2500lb unit that I trailer my 8000lb mini excavator on trapper.

The deal on this truck is hard to pass up as it is $6000 under msrp.
And it has what I really want in terms of the engine 7.3L, 4.30 gears,upgraded axle, supercab, power sliding rear window, box led lighting, remote start, onboard scales and smart hitch and tow package. With a few other things like the tailgate step.
I don't tow tons but enough to make sure I have a truck that will do it and not at the very top of its capabilities.