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September 24, 2021, 03:27 PM
P250UA5
The new Toyota Tundra
The current generation Tundra debuted in 2007. Both my father-in-law and brother-in-law have 1. 2008 & 2015 respectively.

14 year run, and this is the best that come up with? Supposedly the next generation Tacoma will get similar design language.

No more V8 available, couple V6 options:

https://www.netcarshow.com/toyota/2022-tundra/
quote:

A Pair of Powerful Powertrains

The all-new Toyota Tundra will offer two powertrain options: a twin-turbo V6 engine and a hybrid twin-turbo V6. What may be surprising to some is the hybrid powertrain will be the most powerful of the two. Mated to both engines will be a 10-speed Electronically Controlled Automatic Transmission with intelligence (ECTi). The new 10-speed features a sequential shift mode, uphill/downhill shift logic and TOW/HAUL driving modes.

Calling the twin-turbo V6 a "base" engine just doesn't seem right. Its aluminum block features a displacement of 3,445cc via an 85.5mm bore and 100mm stroke. The 24-valve, Dual Overhead Cam V6 is chain-driven and features Dual VVTi systems. Thanks to the water-cooled intercooler keeping turbo temperatures down, the V6 engine improves on the outgoing V8 engine in every way with impressive performance figures: 389 horsepower and 479 lb.-ft. of torque.

Next-level enhancements help make this twin-turbo V6 stand alone at the top of the powertrain mountain. Engineers developed state-of-the-art cylinder heads for max-boost reliability with a two-layer water jacket structure for maximum coolant flow and combustion chamber strength and then added machined cross-channels for additional combustion chamber cooling. Low-profile, laser-applied powder-metal intake valve seats enhance the intake port efficiency and allow maximum coolant flow close to the spark plug.

Exhaust cooling starts with the computer-optimized exhaust valve shape and is further enhanced by the integrated exhaust manifold and cylinder head design that uses the same water jacket to lower exhaust gas temperature entering the turbochargers to further improve reliability and performance.

The cylinder heads themselves have machined cross-channels to allow coolant to flow through them laterally to provide additional cooling to the combustion chambers. This also contributes to cylinder head reliability and operating efficiency. The exhaust valves' shape has also been optimized to enhance cooling performance.

Drumroll, please! The showstopper for Tundra is really the i-FORCE MAX powertrain. The numbers alone are jaw-dropping - 437 horsepower at 5,200 rpm and a staggering 583 lb.-ft. of torque at only 2,400 rpm. The numbers are impressive, but how this beast achieves them is the best part.

The new i-FORCE MAX relies on the same twin-turbo V6 platform but features a unique attribute - a motor generator with a clutch located within the bell housing between the engine and 10-speed automatic transmission. In essence, the motor generator is built in-line to provide additional power that is transferred efficiently via the transmission, while the engine start-up, EV driving, electric assist and energy regeneration are solely done via the parallel hybrid components.

The i-FORCE MAX powertrain is designed to provide maximum performance and maximum efficiency at every extreme. During towing applications, the hybrid system provides additional power and torque. In city driving, it offers a quiet ride with improved efficiency while in low-speed EV mode. On the highway, responsive linear power delivery is the name of the game, and off-road driving is further enhanced thanks to peak torque performance being achieved low in the RPM range.

A newly developed Power Control Unit (PCU) is used to achieve excellent battery durability and thermal performance with a focus on drive performance. The system employs a tried-and-true 288V sealed Nickel-Metal Hydride (Ni-MH) battery that resides under the rear passenger seats.

Using the SPORT or SPORT+ settings under Drive Mode Select, i-FORCE MAX makes use of the electric motor's instantaneous responsiveness. Although the electric motor does the bulk of the work at lower speeds, once above 18 mph, the gasoline engine is constantly in operation for excellent performance in the mid- and high-speed range. When in TOW/HAUL mode, the i-FORCE MAX system is constantly in operation to provide impressive acceleration and torque for towing needs.

Standard on TRD Pro models and available on 4×4 trucks equipped with the TRD Off-Road package are a slew of off-road upgrades that enhance off-pavement exploration. Multi-Terrain Select offers adjustable settings to help control wheel spin on a variety of terrain. CRAWL Control functions as a low-speed, off-road cruise control that allows the driver to focus on steering while it maintains one of five selectable speeds. Downhill Assist Control is another off-road feature that helps the driver navigate tricky slopes by limiting the speed of the vehicle during descent.


This is the TRD Off Road trim
Interior looks ok, but the exterior is horrible, IMO.




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September 24, 2021, 03:32 PM
PHPaul
Any mention of price? I have an idea the numbers will make your bag sag.




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September 24, 2021, 03:36 PM
amhaynie
I am an early eco boost adopter in my F150 and I freaking love that power train. This one seems very impressive too. And I will have to disagree on the styling. I really like it. I must say this is a top contender for my next pickip!





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September 24, 2021, 03:36 PM
ArtieS
It looks like a natural evolution of the Tundra, and it's consistent with where Ford is going, with a twin boosted v6, and electric assist.

I imagine it will be expensive, as good Toyota's tend to be, and hopefully it will have Toyota's expected reliability. Maybe give the new engine and transmission combination a year or two before buying, but I think this is where trucks are going.

I have an F150 with the V8. I very much suspect it will be the last V8 I own in a new vehicle.



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September 24, 2021, 03:37 PM
lkdr1989
I think base trim is $38,000 and the TRD Pro is going to be $51,000 but quite frankly, if they raise the prices 12-15%, I wouldn't be surprised.




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September 24, 2021, 03:37 PM
scsigs
I have a 2018 Tundra
The new one looks pretty good in my opinion, but a bit too much like a Silverado.
No V8 doesn’t surprise me, as things are heading to turbocharged and electric motors.
September 24, 2021, 03:42 PM
rsbolo
I have a 2017 Tundra and it is a great and reliable truck.

I will drive it until the wheels fall off or I give it to my son.

I don't believe I will purchase another one though. The competition has too many viable offerings with more features.


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September 24, 2021, 03:44 PM
HRK
quote:
Originally posted by lkdr1989:
I think base trim is $38,000 and the TRD Pro is going to be $51,000 but quite frankly, if they raise the prices 12-15%, I wouldn't be surprised.


The price of the truck is related to the availability of the model and the greed of the dealer.

Imagine we'll see more dealer markup on popular models in the future as lower production numbers by manufacturing companies, in order to keep supply in line with demand and prices high.

Looked at a E-Stang the dealer is one of the one price no haggle, not known for excessive prices. $15K over sticker markup...

Imagine the Ford F150 Lightning will be similar problems with dealer gouging.
September 24, 2021, 03:51 PM
.38supersig
Bigger!

The grille needs to be bigger! Roll Eyes



September 24, 2021, 04:02 PM
old rugged cross
Color me not impressed and am a big Tundra fan and owner.

Very disappointed but not surprised.



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September 24, 2021, 04:05 PM
corsair
quote:
Originally posted by ArtieS:
I imagine it will be expensive, as good Toyota's tend to be, and hopefully it will have Toyota's expected reliability. Maybe give the new engine and transmission combination a year or two before buying, but I think this is where trucks are going.

My exact thoughts.
As an owner of a 2013 Tundra with 190k miles, I'm in the market over the next 24-months.
September 24, 2021, 04:05 PM
HK Ag
I like the exterior redesign, the previous one was just round everywhere.

I dont agree with the no V8 option.

I was thinking that I might get the new Tundra since the body is improved but no V8 and I will likely get another F150 5.0.

HK Ag
September 24, 2021, 04:25 PM
nhracecraft
The new FORD Tundra?


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September 24, 2021, 04:42 PM
MikeGLI
I like it. I may be in the market for a pick up in a few years and I'm interested to see how these roll out.

I'm not sure what's expected of a company thats known for running their vehicle generations twice as long as the big three and supply their vehicles with relatively scant or dated technology.

Coming from a 4Runner owner, which is my 3rd Toyota, I'm not hater, it's just how they do things.




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September 24, 2021, 04:52 PM
hberttmank
It's a good looking truck but I don't go for the huge screen in the dash. People need to keep their eyes on the road.



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September 24, 2021, 04:56 PM
parabellum
Why the small screen?

How much? 1.2 million?

Auto manufacturers and their fucked-in-the-head customers need to snap out of it.

It

is

a

truck!!
September 24, 2021, 05:08 PM
Cabellocabeza
Personally, I think the older Tundras will just be more valuable/expensive. This new one looks a little weird to me and I think the out the door price will be sky high. Probably close to 60gs for a nice one.

When you compare what you get in terms of ride and performance, I don't see the new ones having a substantial advantage over the previous years.

The main thing I like about the Tundra is it rock solid reliabilty. I think you can confidently put over 200.000 miles on a Tundra.

I had one and only sold it becuase, I some how wound up with four vehicles I am down to two now.
September 24, 2021, 05:12 PM
BigSwede
What the widescreen tv on the fugly dash?



September 24, 2021, 05:14 PM
Chowser
wow, I'm hating that cars are coming with bigger grills and bigger screens.



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September 24, 2021, 05:22 PM
mike28w
I must be getting really old....not impressed.