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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
That uncle needs to go to jail for a very long time.

NOTHING justifies this kind of attack.

It seems the only thing the attorney did was deny access to the asshole of his client. The latter, no matter of guilt, has the right to legal representation, and the uncle did not merely "assault" the attorney, but caused great bodily harm. And it turns out the perp has a past criminal record. Assholes who inflict this kind of damage to other innocent people deserve a lot more than a short time in the pen for simple assault.

The uncle was trying to access his clients asshole? Right there in the hallway? Sick fucker.

This is why so many lawyers carry, even in states where carry is difficult. Many judges do as well, including giving themselves exemptions to the "No Firearms in Courthouses" Rule.

I'm not defending the uncle at all. I hope the guy goes to prison. I wonder, however, if things like this would happen as often as they do if the families of victims had more faith in the system of justice to punish the perpetrator who did harm to their loved one?

If real punishment were both swift and certain, and I don't mean Sharia, or other forms of barbaric eye-for-an-eye style punishments, kangaroo court try-'em-and-hang-'em bullshit, do you think there would be less of this, or are people simply just that crazy?

Given the attacker’s record, he’s just a nut, who should already have been put down/be in a cage.

Rule of law must be constantly defended - both against being corrupted by the culture which created it, and from animals who do not like constraint.

Based on the details posted by tatortodd, this was a trial about a traffic accident, not a willful act of violence against the nephew. Negligent maybe, but not some kind of heinous evil act.

The uncle sounds like he has a record of some serious anger issues that exhibited themselves yet again. He needs locked up.

I had to avert something similar one time. I was working a crash where a kid ran out in front of a car and got hit. He was uninjured apart from some minor scrapes, but I contacted the parents and EMS per protocol for a juvenile. Unfortunately, dad was a well-known violent hot-head.

I had multiple witnesses who said the kid ran out from behind a parked truck and a large pine tree into the street with no warning and the driver had no opportunity to react. I also had physical evidence (footprints in the snow) to support this, and it was later confirmed by security camera footage as well. The driver was completely sober and very shook up that he'd just hit a kid.

Dad got there and immediately tried to go after the driver before he even learned what happened. I had to physically get in front of him and tell him to get in the ambulance and check on his kid before he ended up in jail for doing something stupid. I managed to defuse it that day, but that dude ultimately ended up in prison for other stuff within a year. Some people just look for any excuse to be an asshole.

"Aggressively approaching" sounds like mealy mouthed lawyer talk for something that is not a crime of assault. The lawyer committed battery to "make space" not to defend himself or his client from assault (threat of battery) or battery (unwelcome physical contact) by the uncle.

You could argue that once you have been battered by another, you can fight back in self defense until the threat is neutralized and are not bound by "proportionality".

This has to be on security video so whether or not the uncle was committing assault that the lawyer reasonably believed put him in danger of battery should be clear. If he was not committing assault than the push was not warranted. The rule is to step back away, not push.

Guy gets in your face in a bar and has unkind words but no actual threat of harm. You step back and say, "no trouble man". You don't push him or you will guaranty a fight. If he approaches again after you step back or you are cornered that changes things somewhat.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
"Aggressively approaching" sounds like mealy mouthed lawyer talk for something that is not a crime of assault. The lawyer committed battery to "make space" not to defend himself or his client from assault (threat of battery) or battery (unwelcome physical contact) by the uncle.

You could argue that once you have been battered by another, you can fight back in self defense until the threat is neutralized and are not bound by "proportionality".

This has to be on security video so whether or not the uncle was committing assault that the lawyer reasonably believed put him in danger of battery should be clear. If he was not committing assault than the push was not warranted. The rule is to step back away, not push.

Guy gets in your face in a bar and has unkind words but no actual threat of harm. You step back and say, "no trouble man". You don't push him or you will guaranty a fight. If he approaches again after you step back or you are cornered that changes things somewhat.

I'm no fan of lawyers, so it kinda pains me to take ones side in this, but you're forgetting the element of "reasonableness" in your argument. Defensive force has to be reasonable. Get in some old guy's face and he puts a hand on your shoulder to push you back doesn't justify throwing him on the ground MMA style and breaking his back. Also, it's a courthouse, not a bar, so a different level of decorum applies.

I'm sure it is on video, and there's probably plenty of witnesses, too. And I'd be willing to bet that the evidence also supports the lawyer's side of things...that's why the other guy is currently locked up on $75k bond.

Once someone puts hands on you in a violent manner, and pushing is violent, then all bets are off. After that fight or flight reaction takes over you default to any training you might have, or instinct.

They aren't going to charge a lawyer in the hospital with a broken back. He's already suffered a lot worse than a misdemeanor battery charge which would result in probation and no jail time.

But there is evidence and witnesses so it will all play out in court.

Lefty Sig…. I’m pretty sure I already know the answer to this - do you have any background in law? Either LEO or lawyer?

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
"Aggressively approaching" sounds like mealy mouthed lawyer talk for something that is not a crime of assault. The lawyer committed battery to "make space" not to defend himself or his client from assault (threat of battery) or battery (unwelcome physical contact) by the uncle.

You could argue that once you have been battered by another, you can fight back in self defense until the threat is neutralized and are not bound by "proportionality".

This has to be on security video so whether or not the uncle was committing assault that the lawyer reasonably believed put him in danger of battery should be clear. If he was not committing assault than the push was not warranted. The rule is to step back away, not push.

Guy gets in your face in a bar and has unkind words but no actual threat of harm. You step back and say, "no trouble man". You don't push him or you will guaranty a fight. If he approaches again after you step back or you are cornered that changes things somewhat.

You are about as wrong as anyone could be. I strongly suggest that you obtain some education on the subject, as you are clearly walking around uninformed, and this could lead to a dangerous outcome.

^^^^^^He isn’t wrong. You have interspersed some legal facts grafted onto your opinion in such a way that if you acted in the manner you seem to be describing, you would end up in jail. And we would have a thread dedicated to you. lol It would be an epic thread though.

JALLEN is proven right once again. The man is undefeated.