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Talk about some crazy shit going on here. This is why you don't get involved with crazy. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ive-scholarship.html A clarinetist has been awarded $266,500 in damages after his girlfriend sabotaged his music career by deleting an email offering him a place at his dream school and then telling him he'd been rejected. The motive for the deceit remains unclear but it appears Lee either wanted to avoid being separated from her boyfriend by distance or she wanted to stop him from going to the school, which she had attended and left mysteriously, for another reason. In 2014, Eric Abramovitz was 20 years old, dating flutist Jennifer Lee and both were studying music at McGill University in Montreal, Canada. She had just transferred from the Colburn Conservatory of Music in Los Angeles, one of the country's most prestigious music programs, and he was a sophomore when they met in fall of 2013. Lee spoke glowingly of the school she had left which, coincidentally, had always been on Abramovitz's bucket list. She told him she chose to leave because she wanted to be closer to her family in Ontario. After hearing her talk about it for several months, he decided to apply and, with her blessing, auditioned for a place in February 2014. He planned to stay with her despite the 2,900 mile distance, and never threatened to end their relationship if he got in. He was successful and was offered a full scholarship plus room and board, which is given to all of the students at the world renowned school. The offer was made by clarinet master Yehuda Gilad in an email which was sent to the young man's account but he never saw it because Lee intercepted it. Posing as her boyfriend, she then rejected the offer, responding that he would be 'elsewhere', and deleted the chain of correspondence. Then, she created a fake account in Gilad's name and sent her boyfriend a fake email which said he had not been successful. She offered him a fictitious partial scholarship to a different school which she knew he could not afford then consoled him in Canada as he got over the rejection. Speaking to DailyMail.com on Friday, Abramovitz, who sued her when he discovered her lies in 2016 and won his case on Wednesday, recalled the astonishing deceit and described the chain of events which led to it. He does not know why she wanted to stop him from going and does not know whether it was because she did not want them to be apart or if there was something in Los Angeles she did not want him to discover. He told how their relationship was going well and said she seemed 'normal', if a little intense, when they began dating as 20-year-old music students. 'She seemed relatively normal. We met in September 2013, we were both musical students. The relationship progressed quickly,' he said. Abramovitz grew up in Montreal and spent his life dreaming of attending a prestigious school in the United States. Lee claimed to have left Colburn because she wanted to be near her family in Ontario. Having heard her talk about the L.A. school in length, Abramovitz decided that he would try to secure a spot and he does not remember her trying to talk him out of it and says she was 'neutral' about it. 'She had been there, she was the one telling me how good a school it was initially. I don't remember much but she didn't have any bad things to say about it. They did not plan on breaking up despite the distance his move would have incurred and she stuck with him as he prepared endlessly for his all-important audition in February 2014. Abramovitz traveled to L.A. and performed for Gilad then made his way to Montreal to wait for the news. In April, he got an email from a gmail account which claimed to be Gilad, telling him he had not been successful. Instead, the sender offered him a place at the University of Southern California with a $5,000 scholarship. It meant tuition would have been $45,000 which he could not afford. Heartbroken to have been rejected by Colburn and not be able to afford the alternative, he stayed at McGill and let Lee comfort him. 'I was very bummed out. I was pretty down. She was there consoling me and she seemed genuinely upset. 'I don't know how someone could do that,' he said, knowing what he knows now. Before sending him the fictitious rejection email, Lee had used his laptop to turn down Colburn's email. She told them she would be 'elsewhere' and said she could not speak on the phone because it was broken. They carried on dating but broke up six months later for other reasons. On Friday, Abramovitz would not go into detail about her personality or why they split but said, looking back, there were 'warning signs' about her deceitful behavior. He has since discovered other alleged 'lies' she has told but would not go into detail about those either. The pair remained on amicable if awkward terms and carried on studying at McGill. In 2016, after graduating with his bachelor's degree, he decided to apply again for one of Gilad's schools. The goal was to land a spot and eventually be hired by an orchestra. In May 2016, he travelled again to California to audition. Afterwards, Gilad took him into a room and the pair had an excruciating exchange over the events two years earlier. 'I walked in and he said, "Why are you here? You rejected me.' I was taken aback and said, "With all due respect, you rejected me. 'Then he said, "No, you rejected me,' and I said, "You rejected me!" This went on a couple more times then the subject changed. I figured at that point that he must have confused me with another student,' Abramovitz said. He was not offered a spot at Colburn but took Gilad up on an offer to go to the University of Southern California, brushing off the back-and-forth they had in the interview after his audition. But when other students at USC began asking him why he had turned down the chance to study at Colburn, 'every musician's dream', he finally became suspicious of sabotage. 'For a while I just thought it was some computer-savvy clarinetist out there who wanted my demise. It's very difficult to hack someone's email account and create emails on their behalf, though, so I started thinking about who may have had access. 'She was the last person. We still saw each other every now and then and were on amicable terms at the time. I didn't think badly of her really, we were on fine terms, and she was the last person I thought was capable of doing something like this. 'Finally I started confronting the idea that maybe she could have done it. One night, me and my friend decided we were going to crack the case. 'I dug out the email I'd received from Gilad, sent it to him and he confirmed he had never seen the words or used that address before in his life. 'So my friend and I decided we would try to log into the gmail account.' The pair attempted several passwords before trying a combination of letters and numbers he knew Lee often used for her own accounts. When it was accepted, they finally got access to the inbox and found his 2014 exchange was the only thing in the account. The back-up recovery email address belonged to her and the phone number attached to it was also hers. Abramovitz contacted her on Facebook to ask her about it and she denied it. When he presented her with the 'overwhelming evidence', he said she blocked him. A year later, he said she emailed him apologizing 'for everything' but offered no explanation for it. 'It was more sorry about getting caught,' he said, adding that the apology did not seem 'genuine'. In 2016, Abramovitz hired a lawyer to file a civil claim in court in Canada. He carried on studying in California and forgot somewhat about the ordeal until Wednesday when a judge ruled in his favor. As part of his lawsuit, Gilad submitted a statement calling Lee's actions 'immoral'. He said that it set Abramovitz's career back by two years and that he would have had the chance to earn around $150,000 in an orchestra if she hadn't interfered. 'I am very frustrated that a highly talented musician like Eric was the victim of such an unthinkable, immoral act that delayed his progress and advancement as an up-and-coming young musician and delayed his embarking on a most promising career,' he said. Lee did not respond to any of his lawyer's letters and defaulted in court which all but negates her chance to deny the allegations in Canada's courts. She now has to pay him $300,000 in damages and $50,000 in punitive damages for what a judge called 'despicable interference' in his career. On Friday, Lee did not respond to DailyMail.com's attempts to contact her. Her ex-boyfriend does not know what she is doing with her life because she has blocked him on social media, he said. Despite her interference with his career, he said he wishes her no harm. She comes from a 'lovely' family and has several brothers who, Abramovitz said, would likely be shocked by her behavior. While it came as a surprise to him, he said other friends had since revealed anecdotes which indicate what she may have been capable of but would not share them with DailyMail.com. 'Obviously she did a terrible thing but I don't wish her any bad things. For someone to be in a place to do that...' he said, tailing off. Abramovitz currently lives in Nashville, Tennessee, where he plays in a symphony orchestra and is in a new relationship with a student teacher. Despite his history with Lee, he is planning to go back to Canada shortly to be with his current girlfriend. Speaking of his new girlfriend, he said: 'She's normal, she's great. She's honest, from what I can tell. And she's not a musician, which is great,' he said. Colburn did not respond to DailyMail.com's inquiries about Lee's departure from it in 2013 or about the sabotage. _____________ | ||
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Sorry that this guy had to endure all of this but good on him for suing the sociopath...I wish more guys wouldn't roll over when stuff like this happens. ...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV | |||
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Coin Sniper |
I'm sorry, fluetists are crazy. There I said it, but damnit, they really are. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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No double standards |
I guess my first question would be if she has the money to pay the $260K? "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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No double standards |
Any thoughts on those who play the oboe? "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
I dated one in high school and college. You are correct. Amazing and interesting skill set, but completely batshit.
I have a sister in law who plays an oboe. Less crazy. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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Little ray of sunshine |
You might doubt it, but why sue her if she is dead broke with no prospects? Maybe he has some chance of collecting. And, yeah, flutists are crazy. It is that airy whistling sound. It isn't good for the brain. I also dated a flutist for a time. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Thank you Very little |
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Frangas non Flectes |
^ I was dating the flutist when that movie came out. That's... that's all I'm going to say about that. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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Is this partly why in American Pie, Alyson Hannigan's character Michelle is a fluetist? Fluetist + redhead = crazy? | |||
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Quote: "She seemed relatively normal". Hmmm.... I wonder if our man did see the crazy but choose to ignore it in favor of excellent vajayjay. And this was diabolical. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
Oboe: An ill wind that nobody blows good. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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The 20 year old male brain will overlook a lot of crazy for some chance at tail. Also his crazy meter was not likely fully developed at 20 or refer to my first sentence. God gave us 2 brains and only enough blood to run one at a time | |||
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I'd like to know how many years are a professional clarinetist he would need to earn the kind of money he sued for. | |||
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Dies Irae |
From the article above:
Would seem $75K/year, as he graduated in 2016. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I never would've thought someone could make that much playing in an orchestra. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Little ray of sunshine |
It depends a lot on where. Minneapolis Symphony doesn't pay much. NY Phil would be better. And they all supplement with other gigs, teaching, etc. No orchestra members are getting rich, no matter where they play. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Not many can. The very, very top musicians make a lot of money. The rest don’t. Some make next to nothing. See http://work.chron.com/much-mon...ians-make-15161.html Some of the musicians I played with were very, very good. One of the best clarinetist I’ve known is a dentist in real life. Another was a band director. I was lucky to be able to work my way through college playing in a band. I wouldn’t want to have been a full time musician, though, although had I known an ugly guy who can't sing could be a rock star, things might have been different. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Since she set him back TWO years and he was awarded $300,000 plus additional punitive damages, I took that to mean his potential earnings were $300,000 for those two years or $150k per. | |||
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In my case, the flutist was the one who got away. Not crazy at all. Stupidly, I broke up with her. I was the oboeist. -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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