It’s not always cut & dry, it’s along the continuum. What about the ‘high maintenance’ girlfriend? Maybe a ‘SD’ relationship?

Say you buy a girl a new iPhone? What about the hot starlet out with the Hollywood heavyweight.

Yeah, the streetwalkers are on the low end, much is more subtle and accepted. I don’t have a problem with most, as long as of age, no coercion and they know what they’re doing.

It is, of course, WRONG.

It should be mostly legal. I think "streetwalking" should be illegal. If people want to privately come to a voluntary arrangement for services I don't think that should be anyone else's business.

Where's the emoji of beating the dead horse?

I’m a Christian so I obviously see it as morally wrong. But I also do not think the government should regulate it. I do not partake in alcohol, but I am against the blue light laws too. There is no way for the government to legislate morality and I can prove that from biblical sources.

If prostitution were legal, then why not polygamy?

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There is no way for the government to legislate morality

No offense, but this is one of those fingernail on a chalkboard things with me.

It is one of the government's jobs to legislate morality. Many, if not most, laws on the books legislate morality. The only question is whose morality is legal and whose do we deem as criminal. Society as a whole makes that choice. We find prostitution immoral and we don't want it around ourselves and our children. Hence, it is illegal and should remain that way.

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If prostitution were legal, then why not polygamy?

Why not? Presuming all are consenting adults.

What if the sex is free but she charges to leave?

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Originally posted by mrvmax:
There is no way for the government to legislate morality

No offense, but this is one of those fingernail on a chalkboard things with me.

It is one of the government's jobs to legislate morality. Many, if not most, laws on the books legislate morality. The only question is whose morality is legal and whose do we deem as criminal. Society as a whole makes that choice. We find prostitution immoral and we don't want it around ourselves and our children. Hence, it is illegal and should remain that way.

No offense taken. I do not think the majority of people find it immoral, especially in the last several decades as society becomes more liberal.

Scripture describes man as dead in their sins, slaves to satan, with no means to not sin. It is only through Christ that we are no longer slaves to sin with the ability to not sin. That being said, laws cannot make people moral and our current society demonstrates that.

I think our laws were based on a Christian standard from the beginning. That is a good basis for our legal system. I see that as being different from legislating morality. Making prostitution illegal does not change anyone’s morals, it just forces them to try and hide it when they participate.

I am more concerned about government sponsored murder of children and sexual deviancy (pedophilia etc.). Laws will not change morality but can and should prevent deviancy and exploitation of children. It is not about changing morals but creating some sort of standard of decency in our society.

Yes, governments—i.e., the people in effective power—do try to regulate morality in countless ways. What differs in time and place is what is considered to be immoral.

In ancient Rome and other ancient societies failure to worship the right gods was considered to be grossly immoral because that failure was likely to result in the most terrible consequences for the groups. That was the reason for the persecution of early Christians who refused to do that. “Worship your own gods as you like, but don’t endanger the community by neglecting the rest.”

I remember when a military member’s performing cunnilingus on his wife was a violation of the UCMJ and in the view of one military appellate judge was just as “disgusting and vilely immoral” as a man performing fellatio on another man. Think for a moment about the countries where people can be jailed these days for simply saying something that’s considered bad about certain groups—not to mention how there are many in our own country who would like the same to be true here.

It isn’t that societies don’t try to regulate morality, it’s that ideas about morality evolve continually.

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Not being illegal isn't the same as being endorsed by the government. Society and family teach and enforce morality. As we know, people will do what they want regardless of the law.

I don't want government enforcing morality, especially since enforcement is at gunpoint. Whose morality? Mine? The Pope's? The local Imam's?

I have always found it strange that porn is legal but prostitution isnt. You cant pay for sex unless you film the evidence of the crime and then sell that evidence across state lines or internationally.

We are super weird.

As a proud Nevadan, it's legal broadly geographically in so much at most counties don't care. However, it's broadly illegal demographically as it's Illegal by state law in any county with over 200k people. so Reno(Washoe county) and Las Vegas (Clark county) are out.

I've only been inside of one brothel in my time here my friend group is varied and likes a wild time. So we went men, and women for karaoke. The girls are nice but it's clear they're on the job. We got a tour they have quite the operation it's as comfortable, and not seedy as they can make it.

regarding my own feelings. it's morally wrong, but I'd vote against any efforts to outlaw it. I live in Nevada because we're as free as possible while still dealing with reality.

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My problem with it is that they are being exploited. If they were able to choose their Johns; have freedom of movement; not be abused; be over 18; and get to keep the money they earned, then I probably wouldn't care.

An extremely large percentage are sex slaves and trafficking victims.

A lady in my neighborhood is a federal agent and was on a multijurisdictional trafficking taskforce in Houston.

I wish I had brain bleach for one of the things she shared with me. Cartels own bars in the bario and around the corner there will be a warehouse. Johns give money at the bar, walk out the backdoor to the warehouse, the warehouse is full of makeshift rooms barely bigger than a mattress, and there will be at least a half dozen trafficked girls/ladies who each see dozens of guys a day. Both the johns and the cartels should rot in a Soviet style gulag for that.

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A lady in my neighborhood is a federal agent and was on a multijurisdictional trafficking taskforce in Houston.

I wish I had brain bleach for one of the things she shared with me. Cartels own bars in the bario and around the corner there will be a warehouse. Johns give money at the bar, walk out the backdoor to the warehouse, the warehouse is full of makeshift rooms barely bigger than a mattress, and there will be at least a half dozen trafficked girls/ladies who each see dozens of guys a day. Both the johns and the cartels should rot in a Soviet style gulag for that.

My niece is also federal and worked for a time on the trafficking task force. She described routes LA-El Paso-Atlanta and up the east coast to Boston. The scope and numbers of women and children involved is staggering. I could use some of your brain bleach.

To add to my previous post in this thread...I'm a lot more worried about being part of a society that thinks this is morally acceptable than I am about what laws are on the books. Laws don't change people, but in a democratic or representative system they do reflect the predominant views of that society.

Right and wrong are different. They're absolutes. And they don't change with the cultural whims of society. I'm a Christian, and I believe the Bible. God is overwhelmingly clear about his view on prostitution, and sexual sin in general. And historically things never ended well for societies that embraced it.

I'm well aware that making it illegal doesn't stop it...it still exists even in places where it's actively prosecuted (for that matter, so do drunk driving, theft, murder, and a lot of other crimes). But prostitution is a practice that is both intrinsically immoral and emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and physically detrimental to all involved. It exploits women. It destroys families. And there's a host of organized crime and human trafficking that comes with it, even in places where it's legal. It's not something we should be ok with, or attempt to legitimize. My deep concern about this whole discussion is more that we seem to have somehow gotten to a point where many are ok with this than it is about whether or not the government keeps it illegal.

Seems everyone is falling for the leftist argument of "her body her choice" and "it's victimless so why not?"

The reality is every culture that has ever advanced has put strict limits on female sexuality. Look at the United States from it's founding until ~1970. Now look at ~1970 until now. Look at the pervasiveness of porn. Look at the number of women that sell themselves on the internet because it's easy money. We are seeing a fundamental breakdown of the family and the negative effects of fatherless children. Is this a good thing?

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Not being illegal isn't the same as being endorsed by the government. Society and family teach and enforce morality. As we know, people will do what they want regardless of the law.

That's what I think of education...
Can we get the government out of that too?

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Seems everyone is falling for the leftist argument of "her body her choice" and "it's victimless so why not?"

The reality is every culture that has ever advanced has put strict limits on female sexuality. Look at the United States from it's founding until ~1970. Now look at ~1970 until now. Look at the pervasiveness of porn. Look at the number of women that sell themselves on the internet because it's easy money. We are seeing a fundamental breakdown of the family and the negative effects of fatherless children. Is this a good thing?

And can you tell me what the worlds oldest profession is?

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And can you tell me what the worlds oldest profession is?

Just because it's been around forever doesn't mean it's beneficial or worthy of promotion.