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Turkey's Erdogan Says Russia Not Abiding By Syria Agreements: NTV
Ezgi Erkoyun, Tuvan Gumrukcu, Ali Kucukgocmen, Dominic Evans, Reuters, 1/29/2020

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said that Ankara is losing patience with the military assault in Syria's Idlib region, adding that Russia is violating agreements aimed at stemming conflict there, broadcaster NTV reported on Wednsday.

Renewed bombardments by Russia-backed Syrian government forces on Idlib have raised concern of a new refugee wave from the area which borders Turkey and is home to 3 million people. Turkey and Russia, which support opposing sides in Syria, agreed to work toward de-escalating the fighting in Idlib and creating a demilitarized zone under agreements in 2017 and 2018 known as the Astana and Sochi accords. But fighting has continued in the last remaining rebel bastion in the country's nearly nine-year war despite several other agreements for a ceasefire, as recently as this month.

"Currently Russia is not abiding by Astana or Sochi," NTV quoted Erdogan as saying. Speaking to reporters on his flight back from Senegal, he said Turkey, which is building houses in northern Idlib to shelter civilians fleeing the bombing, has told Russia that it is running out of patience. "If we are loyal partners with Russia on this, they have to put forth their stance...Our wish is that Russia immediately makes the necessary warnings to the regime which it sees as a friend," he said. "The Astana process has fallen into silence now. We need to look at what Turkey, Russia and Iran can do to revive the Astana process," he said.

On Tuesday, Syrian government forces entered a town in the south of Idlib city, in a significant advance for President Bashar al-Assad. Turkey said it would retaliate against any attack on its 12 observation posts around Idlib. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based war monitor, said a Turkish military convoy of 30 vehicles, including 12 armored vehicles, entered Syria on Monday evening and was expected to establish a new observation post south of the town of Sarageb in Idlib.


Some compression for space, full original text at http://www.yahoo.com/news/turk...a-not-102637196.html

So let's break this down just a little bit.

Erdogan buddied up to Russia because Russia didn't want Turkey to change it's laws to suit the EU, didn't mind if it pursued becoming THE regional power, and didn't care if it tried to seize control of the waters and mineral rights in the eastern Mediterranean.

Turkey expected Russia to be so grateful to Turkey for pretty much fracturing NATO that Russia would give it a free hand in dominating Syria.

Turkey is so isolated from its erstwhile allies in NATO that it's looking to Russia and Iran to negotiate the fate of the region in something at least approximating good faith.

In short, Erdogan's Turkey is screwed, friendless, surrounded by powers determined to use, abuse and milk it, and is condemned to never-ending brush wars on its borders that can only create more enemies for it. And that's before a series of sprawling refugee camps for Islamofascists in Turkey can fester and breed another generation of suicide bombers to 'avenge Turkey's insults to Islam'.

I guess this is what the Turkish version of Volk und Lebensraum looks like.
 
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And now it comes back the other way. Have you ever wondered how Putin managed to avoid being driven crazy by Erdogan's hysterics and posing? It turns out Putin hasn't managed to avoid it at all.

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Putin Discovers The Pain Of Being Erdogan's Pal
Bobby Ghosh, Bloomberg, 2/6/2020

The Kremlin's denizens could be forgiven for thinking they've hearing some muffled chuckling coming from the direction of Washington. Because Trump administration officials must be feeling some schadenfreude as they watch their counterparts in Moscow wrestle with a quandary all too familiar at the Pentagon and Foggy Bottom. How do you solve a problem like Recep Tayyip Erdogan?

The more philosophically-minded Russian officials may concede that turnabout is fair play: For several years now, they were the ones pointing and giggling as Turkey's president strained his country's ties with the U.S., deploying bellicose rhetoric against - and provocative behavior toward - American allies, from the Kurds in Syria, Israel and Greece to Egypt and the United Arab Emirates. The Russians got more than just satisfaction from Erdogan's truculence toward the U.S. President Vladimir Putin exploited the situation to weaken the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and to secure lucrative buisness deals with Turkey, from the sale of military hardware to gas pipelines.

To preserve his status as Erdogan's new best friend, Putin indulges the Turkish leaders regional and international ambitions. Following the example of two American Presidents, Barack Obama and Donald Trump, Putin feigned deafness at Erdogans's belligerent rhetoric against Russian allies, like the Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad and the Libyan strongman Khalifa Haftar. The Russian leader has even grinned and borne it when Erdogan's actions foiled, or at least greatly complicated, his own ambitions. A Turkish military invasion of northwestern Syria has nixed any hope in Moscow that Assad would be able to reassert control over the country. Turkish troops and mercenaries* now stand in the way of Khalifa's seizure of Tripoli.

And, just as Erdogan has thumbed his nose at Washington by embracing those who chant "Death to America" - whether the regime in Tehran or the leadership of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood - Erdogan has now cocked a snook at Moscow with the incantation, "Slava, Ukraine!" at his recent visit to Kyiv. "Glory to Ukraine" has become a slogan of resistance to Russian hegemony since Putin's 2014 annexation of Crimea. Moscow and its mouthpieces claim it is a Nazi chant. The Russians are discovering, as Americans and Europeans have before, that with Erdogan, matters are always coming to a head, accompanied with threats to end alliances. Putin now finds himself on the receiving end. In a recent phone call, Erdogan warned that Turkey would react "in the harshest way" if Turkish troops in Syria came under more attacks from Assad's forces. And of course, he has warned that the Russo-Turkish relationship could split over Syria.

Blood has now been shed on both sides. Assad's forces have stepped up attacks on Turkish positions in Idlib, killing several Turkish troops. Russia says some of its soldiers have been killed in attacks from Turkish positions. Hundreds of Syrians, soldiers and civilians alike, have been killed in the escalating fighting, and tens of thousands have been forced to flee the area, creating a new refugee crisis.

Putin's options with Erdogan are limited. Turkey is potentially a major economic partner for Russia - the two leaders want trade between the two countries, currently at around $30 billion, to rise to $100 billion. Turkey's membership is crucial to Russia's hopes of sustaining multilateral organizations in the Caucasus and Central Asia. And of course, Putin wants to stoke NATO's uncertainty over Turkey's commitment to the alliance. Erdogan knows all of this. If his dealings with the U.S. and Europe are any guide, he will keep pushing Russia for concessions, in Syria and Libya - who knows where else.

Can Washington take advantage of the situation, as Russia did when Turkey's ties to the U.S. frayed? Perhaps, but that would require Putin to push back against Erdogan, and the Turkish leader to show some interest in returning to the western fold. We're not there yet. If we do get to that point, the U.S. would have to display diplomatic craft of a high order - higher than it has demonstrated in recent years - to bring Erdogan in from the cold. For now, though, American officials can quietly revel in Putin's discovery of what it means to be Erdogan's friend.

Some sentences compressed into paragraphs to save space. Original text at http://www.yahoo.com/news/puti...dogan-045911446.html

* Turkey's using mercenaries in Libya? Who?

I would take issue with two points in the last paragraph. We don't need to bring Erdogan in from the cold and it wouldn't be worth the expense or the hassle. We take advantage simply by keeping a line open to Ankhara in case we have a use for it, and by letting the relationship between Erdogan and Putin blossom. After all, Erdogan and Putin have consistently treated us as enemies - and now, for all the diplomacy and possible trade ties, their troops are killing each other on the battlefield, keeping the entire region (including the entirety of Turkey's southern border) in an uproar where absolutely anything could occur, and apparently trying to play each other's neighbors off against each other. I mean, hell, can you imagine if Erdogan and Kadyrov in Chechnya managed to become best buds? If nothing else, they'd drive the FSB insane between the two of them.

So I think we're winning now, by not doing anything. That raises the second point in the last paragraph - that it'll take American diplomatic brilliance "to bring Erdogan in from the cold". I believe that's true, and that it would take even more diplomatic brilliance (or bribes, anyway) to keep him in out of the cold. The thing is that Erdogan's shown two things over the past twenty-odd years - he'll never truly come into NATO's camp, and he'll always expect to be able to either use his allies or ride roughshod over them in order to pursue his personal political agenda.

So I'm thinking that rather than investing time, money and diplomacy in what would amount to a fool's errand, we're a lot better off waiting for a major crisis to develop between Erdogan and Putin and then dictating terms to Erdogan when he's staring down the barrel of an existential threat. It don't cost us nothin', we don't have to do or commit to or ignore anything at all, and it leaves open the option of throwing Erdogan to the wolves if that seems to be the more convenient thing for American and the rest of the West to do.
 
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They deserve each other.
They were never a real allies, it was just a marriage of convenience for several decades during the cold war and a bit afterwards.
With the present regime running the country we need to get out of there as much as possible and let the Turks & Russians do what's needed, which we can't do, to the local crazies and fight it out with each other.
Another case of winning. We should have left the Ottomans in place a century ago and much of this crap wouldn't have ever happened.


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