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Our 21 month old got the flu shot and she got the flu. I have never gotten the flu shot and *knock on wood* have never gotten the flu that I know of. David W. Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. -Sophocles | |||
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It is a perfectly relevant question. It helps (some years more than others) with the differential diagnosis and also adds more data points for determining the effectiveness of the vaccine. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Concur. But I am curious about claims of the flu immunization mitigating the symptoms. Such vaccines work by triggering the body to produce flu-strain-specific antibodies in advance of being exposed. Since this flu season's vaccine missed the mark by a country mile, ISTM highly unlikely it would have any effect. The health care industry needs to get its act together. With all due respect to Kevbo, I honestly believe hardly a damn thing I hear or read from the health "care" industry any more, and this season's flu is a good example of why. First the vaccine was only 10% effective. Then, literally overnight, it was suddenly 30% effective. Then, a week ago or so, Canadian health officials suggested it was only 10-20% effective, with that latter number being highly optimistic. USAian health officials mumbled something like "Yeah, they may be right," then went right back to claiming 30% effective. Tamiflu. A week ago or so "health officials" started recommending "at-risk" people seek out Tamiflu as a preventative, citing there was evidence to suggest it'd be effective in that role. Of course: The very next night's stories were that Tamiflu was in short supply in some areas. Now, last night, doctor from local hospital says "Don't take Tamiflu as a preventative, as that can reduce its efficacy to mitigate the illness if you catch the flu." Meanwhile, not one word from the health "care" industry about things like: If you begin to experience symptoms, stay the frack away from other people, wear a mask, etc. Not one word from health officials that some of the best ways to ward off disease, and fight it if you catch it, is good health by way of proper nutrition, regular exercise and adequate sleep. Not one word from health officials about non-prescription, non-big-pharma anti-virals such as elderberry. But health officials are quick to recommend that, if you get sick, go some place where there are a bunch of other sick people in close proximity to one another--which somehow strikes me as counter-intuitive. Maybe I'm just  "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Staying away is good advice https://www.cdc.gov/nonpharmac...youre-sick-item5.pdf | |||
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Nope. I agree with most of what you say. I have a six year old that touches e v e r y t h i n g. There have been times that I've made him wash his hands three or four times in public restrooms because as soon as he washes his hands he touches something he didn't have to. You can't get the flu if you're not exposed to it. Thus the most important thing is not getting exposed. The shot, mitigating treatments, etc are all secondary to that. Health officials should indeed spend more time teaching people how to prevent exposure: Stay home if you're ill. Wash your hands often. Wear a mask if you're ill or around those who are. | |||
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| Stop Talking, Start Doing |
I can’t wait until the universal flu vaccine is ready (would be great if it can be ready in five years). _______________ Mind. Over. Matter. | |||
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| Eye on the Silver Lining |
It’s anecdotal. You suppose they could use that for data points, though? And, put on the spot, I’d say some folks may fib. Regardless, I’m not asking if it’s a relevant question (I certainly agree that it is). Just asking how they came by their information- I know I had my son vx at Walgreens a few years ago, for example. I wonder if it populates in his patient chart at the peds, or if they are going off their own records, or simply asking the parents. Also, I wonder how hard it is for a healthcare professional not to display their own sentiments when addressing the parent of an ill child brought to them for care, knowing he/she wasn’t vaccinated. I’m not looking for a fight here, folks, just asking a care provider a question as to how they collect their data. David W, hope your baby is doing well. I think I heard they reformulated the vx and effectiveness is now up to 45% or something? __________________________ "Trust, but verify." | |||
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I'm not a physician, but when diagnosing oral disease in dentistry the questions that relate to likely diagnoses are just part of the normal course of the patient interview/information gathering. Johnny comes in sick.. "How long has he been sick? What are his symptoms? Has he been around other children who are sick? Has he had the flu shot this year?, etc" No big deal. Physicians deal with diseases influenced by patient choices all the time. | |||
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| Eye on the Silver Lining |
Nor am I, but I manage a type of health care office. I’m asking how he came up with his data; how he/the staff at his office went about it. I now know how you do it at your dental office, and perhaps how health care offices you go to do ask these questions (which, imho, can have a polarizing effect). My peds office doesn’t ask (it’s part of a major hospital system). Some offices have questionnaires to fill out, etc. Again, not attempting to start an argument, but wanted to hear how HIS office went about collecting the info. It’s curiosity, mostly. To perhaps be even more clear, I have a master’s in scientific research, and looking at data points and how they are collected interests me, esp when we are speaking in regards to immune function and the effects a vaccine may or may not have on a system. __________________________ "Trust, but verify." | |||
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Got it. I can see where the consistency of data collection and thus the interpretation by CDC might be kind of sketchy. | |||
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| In search of baseball, strippers, and guns |
(Sorry I didn’t see this earlier) Medical records is the easy answer. These are all our patients. If they’ve gotten the flu shot, it’s almost a guarantee that they got it from us The second question is the history and physical. If a child presents with flu like symptoms and there is no record in the charts of them having received a vaccine or something, it’s incumbent on the provider to ask that. Same with a new patient. The history and physical of someone new to the practice also includes all that I should have made that clearer. We aren’t an urgent care facility or anything. I didn’t look, but I’m almost positive all our sick visits on Monday were already patients of ours We will occasionally get new patients that come in for a sick visit as their first patient encounter, but a lot of our patients my wife has known their whole lives (we have been open as a stand alone practice since 2012, and she worked in the area as a pediatrician starting in 2003) As far as mitigating the symptoms that’s just anecdotal evidence from my 4 providers. They talk. The kids we’ve sent to the hospital for flu, almost all of them were unvaccinated And we rely on the people that collect this kind of data for a Living (the CDC). As you can see in the link below https://www.beckershospitalrev...re-unvaccinated.html
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Delusions of Adequacy |
I was at the doc today and was asked if I wanted the shot "because the flu is really bad this year" I asked, so, are the strains the shot protects against the ones that are going around? Um.... "no". I have my own style of humor. I call it Snarkasm. | |||
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| Page late and a dollar short |
Came down Sunday with what I thought was a bad head cold. Spent all day Sunday and Monday in bed, Tuesday a little better. Woke up this morning not any better so went to Urgent Care. Urgent Care though associated with a hospital cannot get any flu test kits as they are all being diverted to ER's. From my timeline and symptoms they feel that I have the flu but too late to prescribe Tamiflu so it's antibiotics, liquids and rest. Limit exposure for the next three days to uninfected persons. But as a positive no signs of pneumonia even though I'm congested. Oh yeah, few days shy of 66, cardiac patient, just a couple factors plus we watch our two grandsons during the day. I'm trying to stay clear of them. -------------------------------------—————— ————————--Ignorance is a powerful tool if applied at the right time, even, usually, surpassing knowledge(E.J.Potter, A.K.A. The Michigan Madman) | |||
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| Nullus Anxietas |
Were you diagnosed with an infection? "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| SIGforum Official Eye Doc  |
I’m guessing prophylactic antibiotics based on risk factors. | |||
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| Eye on the Silver Lining |
Thank you to all for understanding and answering my questions as they were intended. This last bit is very interesting, as I’m pretty sure I gave my ins card instead of my son’s at that Walgreens (didn’t have his on me, but he’s covered under me, so the info is basically the same), and I’m absolutely confident the person administering the vaccine wasn’t a pharmacist (and from what I know they aren’t trained to administer injections), a nurse, or even a nurse’s aide. A pharmacy tech, if that (I know, because I asked the individual about their training in giving the vx). Hells bells, I’m a retired cvt, and could administer a dose better than that dude, but water under the bridge. I’ll have to look and see where I read about the reformulation, because it didn’t make sense, but I was hopeful at the higher percentage of efficacy. Mostly I’m curious about all the information flying about, where numbers are originating from, trying to decipher facts from fiction, and some of the fearmongering on social media. Thank you all for providing some insight. It’s always an education on the forum. __________________________ "Trust, but verify." | |||
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Not sure if pharmacy techs are able to administer in other states, in Missouri they cannot. It’s either the pharmacist or a pharmacy intern. Proper injection technique is key to a pain free experience. Some can do it pain free regularly and others can’t. | |||
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So I found out today I have the stupid Flu. Got a prescription for Termaflu. Came home and started doing some reading. Only cuts recovery time by one day. Darn it, I wouldn't have spent in excess of $100 on the script if I knew that going into it. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| If you're gonna be a bear, be a Grizzly!  |
It's hitting us hard now. The opposite shift of mine had four of seven sent home yesterday after testing positive for the flu. The dispatch room reeks of Lysol this morning. Here's to the sunny slopes of long ago. | |||
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