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Originally posted by RR:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Stupid should hurt. And it does for New York.

How original

Yeah, I shouldn’t have said that. It’s just frustrating to see people harmed by liberal policies. Pisses me off.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
We used to boat on a lake that was split between the U.S. and Canada. Long story short: You'd be surprised to learn how easy it is to accidentally enter another country.

My understanding is pleasure boats that don't touch Canadian soil, don't have to clear customs. This is also true for using the small lock on the Canadian side of the Soo Locks. Is there more to this I should know?

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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I agree and I also believe there should be some Federal standards as to what constitutes a real ID (ie driver's license etc.), who should be eligible for one and so on.

There already is. I would have figured you, given your job, would know this?

Yes, but illegal aliens being allowed to get the very same Driver's licenses in Some states as Citizens (such as NY) pretty much negates a Driver's license in those states as being proof that you are who you say you are and a US citizen.

You sure about that? In CA, anyone who can fog a mirror can get a driver’s license, but for Real ID one must provide proof of legal presence (birth certificate, US passport, etc), Social Security Card, and two proof of address docs from different agencies / companies. (Utility bill, pilot’s license, etc, but can’t use pilot’s license and flight instructor’s license as both are issued by the same agency).

A Real ID license in many states has a gold star (CA has a gold bear with a white star on it). A non-Real ID license in CA says “Federal Limits Apply” where the bear would be on a Read ID license. See below link for more info:

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/...df?MOD=AJPERES&CVID=

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
We used to boat on a lake that was split between the U.S. and Canada. Long story short: You'd be surprised to learn how easy it is to accidentally enter another country.

My understanding is pleasure boats that don't touch Canadian soil, don't have to clear customs. This is also true for using the small lock on the Canadian side of the Soo Locks. Is there more to this I should know?

My information is 8-9 years old, so don't take it as gospel.

You are regarded as having landed in Canada if you or any part of your boat touches Canadian soil. This includes lake bottom. At the time, anchoring was something of a gray area, but was generally not regarded as "landing."

You are also regarded as having landed in Canada if you or any part of your boat touches a Canadian vessel while in Canadian waters.

This means that if you're stopped for inspection by Canadian water cops you are regarded as having landed in Canada. This is a not infrequent occurrence, as U.S. boaters are often in violation of Canada's much stricter regulations regarding alcoholic beverages aboard boats. (E.g.: If the boat doesn't have a head and galley: No alcoholic beverages allowed aboard at all. Period.)

And make no mistake: US CBP knows the instant Canadian Border Service Agency registers you as having landed in Canada. They've had interlinked information sharing ever since soon after 9/11.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by RR:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Stupid should hurt. And it does for New York.

How original

Yeah, I shouldn’t have said that. It’s just frustrating to see people harmed by liberal policies. Pisses me off.

I appreciate that. We’ve all seen some people like to pile on and point fingers at about roughly five states that we can all name. Unfortunately the number appears to be growing. However far from everyone in these states agree with the nonsense that’s taking place and it’s a cancer we should all be concerned with regardless of how red you think your particular state is. The story of “I didn’t say anything because they weren’t coming for me” comes to mind.

This was on the NBC news tonight. Trump Administration Limits Immigrant Travel.

The story noted several times that this was a revenge move by the Trump Administration.

Never let a good opportunity to find a victim slip by...

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
We used to boat on a lake that was split between the U.S. and Canada. Long story short: You'd be surprised to learn how easy it is to accidentally enter another country.

My understanding is pleasure boats that don't touch Canadian soil, don't have to clear customs. This is also true for using the small lock on the Canadian side of the Soo Locks. Is there more to this I should know?

My information is 8-9 years old, so don't take it as gospel.

You are regarded as having landed in Canada if you or any part of your boat touches Canadian soil. This includes lake bottom. At the time, anchoring was something of a gray area, but was generally not regarded as "landing."

You are also regarded as having landed in Canada if you or any part of your boat touches a Canadian vessel while in Canadian waters.

This means that if you're stopped for inspection by Canadian water cops you are regarded as having landed in Canada. This is a not infrequent occurrence, as U.S. boaters are often in violation of Canada's much stricter regulations regarding alcoholic beverages aboard boats. (E.g.: If the boat doesn't have a head and galley: No alcoholic beverages allowed aboard at all. Period.)

And make no mistake: US CBP knows the instant Canadian Border Service Agency registers you as having landed in Canada. They've had interlinked information sharing ever since soon after 9/11.

Yes, if you tie up to a dock in Canada you need to clear Canadian customs.

I have never heard of if your vessel touches a Canadian vessel (or one of/IN another country) that you need to clear customs. I have always been told, the vessel needs to touch land. I find it hard to believe that if you raft to another vessel OR anchor to be true, but am not 100% sure.

I don't know about the drinking and head/galley requirement as every yacht I've cleared into Canada with had a galley and several heads and while there was alcohol on board, nobody was drinking. Everytime I cleared into Canada was at a video phone, never with a live agent.

I do know they require everyone to get off while fueling and the fuel dock attendant needs to fuel your boat for you. Which is kind of retarded on yachts, as they all take fuel differently (speeds, etc.)

But it is true, just crossing another Country's waters you are not required to check in. In MANY areas such as the Detroit river, it would be very easy to accidentally cross into Canadian waters. I know of a lot of yacht owners that to this day they go to Canada tie up somewhere and come back and don't clear customs on either side.

CBP has a great APP called ROAM, which makes clearing into the U.S. on a tablet or smart phone very very easy.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
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You are also regarded as having landed in Canada if you or any part of your boat touches a Canadian vessel while in Canadian waters.
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I have never heard of if your vessel touches a Canadian vessel (or one of/IN another country) that you need to clear customs. I have always been told, the vessel needs to touch land. I find it hard to believe that if you raft to another vessel OR anchor to be true, but am not 100% sure.
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I'm relating what we were told by the head of US CBP Port Huron, MI, at a meeting our boat club arranged to get members appraised of the laws and rules.

ISTR subsequently calling the closest CBSA facility, seeking verification of that and the anchoring question. ISTR them verifying the "boat touching" question, but, they, themselves, also regarding the anchoring question as a gray area.

As I noted, however: That information is now at least 8-9 years old. I don't know how much of it is still valid. (We're no longer boat owners.)

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Stupid should hurt. And it does for New York.

Plenty of members on this forum are from NY so try not to lump us all together. I hang out with lots and lots of conservative and patriotic NYS residents.

This is going to suck if not fixed by my renewal date. I travel quite a bit and the global entry/trusted traveler program is a home run.

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Originally posted by dave7378:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Stupid should hurt. And it does for New York.

Plenty of members on this forum are from NY so try not to lump us all together. I hang out with lots and lots of conservative and patriotic NYS residents.

This is going to suck if not fixed by my renewal date. I travel quite a bit and the global entry/trusted traveler program is a home run.

One option is Mobile Passport. We have GE, our daughter has the Mobile Passport app. Coming back from Africa last June she breezed thru ORD Customs almost as fast as we did.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/...bal-entry-crackdown/

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Originally posted by Sigmund:

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Originally posted by dave7378:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Stupid should hurt. And it does for New York.

Plenty of members on this forum are from NY so try not to lump us all together. I hang out with lots and lots of conservative and patriotic NYS residents.

This is going to suck if not fixed by my renewal date. I travel quite a bit and the global entry/trusted traveler program is a home run.

One option is Mobile Passport. We have GE, our daughter has the Mobile Passport app. Coming back from Africa last June she breezed thru ORD Customs almost as fast as we did.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/...bal-entry-crackdown/

Yeah, but the Mobile Passport ain't going to get you TSA Pre-check.

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I think it’s a great move.

Now to figure out what to do to other sanctuary states.

Yes, I don't have a problem with this new policy, but my question is why it was only applied to New York City, and not any of the other declared Sanctuary cities. There are several other cities and states that have passed laws or implemented policies providing drivers licenses to illegal aliens.

...seems to me the DHS policy should be applied across the board evenly.

The reason that is happening in NYS is that Gov Cuomo has locked out the Feds from the license database.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:


Yeah, but the Mobile Passport ain't going to get you TSA Pre-check.

Pre-check is not affected and can be obtained independently from global entry.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:


Yeah, but the Mobile Passport ain't going to get you TSA Pre-check.

Pre-check is not affected and can be obtained independently from global entry.

Hardly a consolation, since those who use Global Entry I'm sure would be thrilled to pay for and go through the TSA precheck process, only to later again have to pay and go through the Global Entry process should this whole mess later get resolved.

Anyway, who knows if TSA precheck might be next to get nixed.

That sucks. Now everyone will flock to NJ.
I'm gonna call Trump.
Cuoma is seeing the federal government. What a baby. Can't wait till Cuomo dies. He is such an asshole.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:


Yeah, but the Mobile Passport ain't going to get you TSA Pre-check.

Pre-check is not affected and can be obtained independently from global entry.

Hardly a consolation, since those who use Global Entry I'm sure would be thrilled to pay for and go through the TSA precheck process, only to later again have to pay and go through the Global Entry process should this whole mess later get resolved.

Anyway, who knows if TSA precheck might be next to get nixed.

I wasn’t really trying to provide any consolation. I was simply clarifying that pre-check was available without global entry and that the new rules didn’t affect pre-check. And while it may not provide consolation to you, it’s probably great for frequent travelers who fly mostly domestic.

The rules may change, but they can always change. There’s no guarantee that pre-check will exist for any of us tomorrow. Back when pre-check started I just got it for free for years. Then they changed the rules and all the sudden I had to apply.

as much as I'd like feel bad about this, I just can't

I forget who said it (not really) but we were once admonished that 'elections have consequences'

maybe this is a consequence

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

I wasn’t really trying to provide any consolation. I was simply clarifying that pre-check was available without global entry and that the new rules didn’t affect pre-check. And while it may not provide consolation to you, it’s probably great for frequent travelers who fly mostly domestic.

The rules may change, but they can always change. There’s no guarantee that pre-check will exist for any of us tomorrow. Back when pre-check started I just got it for free for years. Then they changed the rules and all the sudden I had to apply.

But this is not a thread about precheck.

I get what you're saying. My point is simply that people who use global Entry often likely use precheck just as much and probably more. If they want to continue to use precheck then they'll just have to pony up the $85 now, and then when Global Entry is again available (most likely within five years before their precheck expires) they'll just have to eat it and pony up another $100 on top of the $85.

Of course, I'm referring to people whose membership expires soon.

Heard on news that the NY attorneys will argue that other states have the same sanctuary shit and they aren't being fucked with and therefore the Admin is singling out NY. Don't know if true or not.