They're after my Lucky Charms!
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Electric Corvette SUV Concept - based on new EV Blazer platform
Aw come on, GM can't be that stupi... Nevermind.
I mean. It doesn't look bad. Looks more like a Porche SUV. But don't call it a corvette... GROAN.
The new Electric FOrd Mustang looks more like a station wagon than a muscle car.
Lord, your ocean is so very large and my divos are so very f****d-up
Dirt Sailors Unite!
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Nobody seems to mention that to best the Hellcat in the 1/4 you need to drop $135,900 for that Tesla Plaid, New Hellcat Redeye is $77,000 (before obligatory dealer bend over mark ups)
Not quite correct. I drove the one that the owner of my company owns. It’s a Model 3 Performance. $65,440. I drove the Hellcat that the kid has. There is no comparison. The Hellcat might run down the Model 3 in the 1/4 mile, but that’s a might. If the Hellcat was on drag radials or slicks with VHT freshly sprayed, then the Hellcat would do well. On the average city street or road, the Hellcat wouldn’t stand a chance. Hell, the kid with the Hellcat takes his to Phoenix and street races it. He won’t mess with a Tesla as he keeps losing money. On paper the model 3 (performance) is 3.1 0-60 and 11.7 in the 1320. Hellcat is 3.7 0-60 and 11.8 in the 1320. I’m far from an EV fanboy. I think that the Tesla is unattractive and they just aren’t my thing. However the part of me that loves to go fast, can’t deny that the Tesla is mind blowing fast.
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I'd fly to Turks and Caicos with live ammo falling out of my pockets before getting within spitting distance of NJ with a firearm.
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^^^^ And that's it as far as driving enjoyment goes. They feel like an appliance. No soul, and you can't hide the weight in the corners. Yes the drivetrain is amazing whutwith the torque vectoring and all...
I looked HARD at the 3P. I bought a slower 400 hp BMW that still has more balls than a Christmas tree. Also awd, and far better handling.
Good ICE cars are just better in every subjective way.
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| quote: Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
^^^^ And that's it as far as driving enjoyment goes. They feel like an appliance. No soul, and you can't hide the weight in the corners. Yes the drivetrain is amazing whutwith the torque vectoring and all...
I looked HARD at the 3P. I bought a slower 400 hp BMW that still has more balls than a Christmas tree. Also awd, and far better handling.
Good ICE cars are just better in every subjective way.
And I’m not disagreeing with you. I have had a few cars that were just awesome, and more fun to drive than can be described. 2009 Subaru WRX that was heavily modded and tuned. Wicked fast and so fun to drive. 2013 BMW 135is M Sport. Six cylinders of awesomeness with a twin scroll turbo and a transmission that shifts faster than you can blink your eyes (literally). That car will always be one of my favorites. I should have never let it go. These were awesome to drive. The sound of the exhaust and the changes of that sound as you stepped on the gas, that’s part of the driving experience. The Tesla lacks that, and piping in fake sounds is silly. At the end of the day, the driving experience does matter. It’s what makes driving fun; however saying there is no such thing as an EV muscle car is wrong. They’re already here, they just lack some of the old school driving experience.
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I'd fly to Turks and Caicos with live ammo falling out of my pockets before getting within spitting distance of NJ with a firearm.
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| Automatics are faster than manuals too, but it’s not all about speed is it?
The parents of one of my son’s teammates have a base Porsche Taycan. It’s not any faster than my wife’s Explorer despite a 50% higher price tag. It makes some kind of fake noise while it’s in motion. To get a Taycan faster than the 20 year old Corvette my dad just bought takes over $120,000. Even though due to his 83 year old knees he got the automatic, I’d still pick it over a $120,000 Taycan. The extra $95,000 buys a lot of gas, a cam, a nice exhaust, a spare car or three for parts, etc. |
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| EV Charger Coupe Conceptquote:
Dodge is taking a giant step forward on the performance brand's road to an electrified future, revealing the Dodge Charger Daytona SRT, a perception-shattering concept that reimagines what a battery electric vehicle (BEV) can be. The Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Concept offers a glimpse at the brand's electric future through a vehicle that drives like a Dodge, looks like a Dodge and sounds like Dodge.
The two-door Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Concept was unveiled at the 2022 M1 Concourse in Pontiac, Michigan, during the third day of the three-day Dodge Speed Week event series, which featured announcements and reveals of Dodge performance products.
The Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Concept muscles aside the boring BEV paradigm and replaces it with an electrified vehicle unlike any on the road today. A new propulsion system drives the Charger Daytona SRT Concept with performance that exceeds the Dodge brand's famed SRT Hellcat engine, accompanied by an industry-first BEV exhaust sound.
The concept's modern exterior styling incorporates subtle Dodge heritage cues while also exceeding aerodynamic targets. Interior design elements connect to create a driver-centric, immersive experience through sounds, displays and lighting features that change inside and out at the push of a button.
Core to the Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Concept are three game-changing, patent-pending features that will rewrite the rules of the BEV segment:
-R-Wing: A unique aerodynamic pass-through design feature that connects the concept with its iconic Dodge Daytona namesake
-Fratzonic Chambered Exhaust: Industry-first BEV exhaust, can reach 126 dB, making it as loud as a Hellcat-powered Dodge
-eRupt: Multi-speed transmission with an electro-mechanical shifting experience that's pure Dodge
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| quote: Originally posted by P250UA5: EV Charger Coupe Conceptquote:
-Fratzonic Chambered Exhaust: Industry-first BEV exhaust, can reach 126 dB, making it as loud as a Hellcat-powered Dodge
126 db speaker that makes ICE noises? If that’s the case, hard pass on that “option”.
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| Yeah, the fake exhaust is dumb, but it's not a bad looking car. I'm not ready for the EV life, and am considering a Suburban for my next car. Got spoiled with the 2 weeks I borrowed my dad's Denali, from the ride & the space. We're planning on getting our kids out to see more places, and a good road trip car is going to make that easier.
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| A quick search answered my question… quote: Dodge finally showed off its replacement for the Challenger and Charger on Wednesday: the Dodge Charger Daytona SRT concept, an electric coupe that Dodge likens to a Hellcat. One of the ways it matches a Hellcat is in noise, with an "exhaust" that Dodge says reaches 126 decibels—the same volume as that supercharged Hellcat V8. It isn't something that's been done before on an EV, so we talked to Dodge to get the inside scoop on how it works, and some idea as to whether it'll be a game-changer—or just an ill-considered gimmick.
Dodge calls its EV noisemaker the "fratzonic chambered exhaust," which it says generates "sound through an amplifier and tuning chamber located at the rear of the vehicle." That probably makes as much sense to you as it does to me, which is to say almost none. So, we got Dodge spokesperson David Elshoff to explain how it works.
Elshoff told me that the system doesn't sample the noise from the Charger EV's motors, but generates a synthetic one based on the "cadence from a Hemi V8." He adds that it "screams at higher revs," which might explain where Dodge got the Banshee name for its 800-volt electric drivetrain. A transducer then manipulates that sound based on throttle position, vehicle speed, load, and so on, feeding the signal to an amplifier that spits it out through a fairly conventional exhaust. Elshoff likens the setup to "a resonator or those direct/reflecting home speakers from the 1980s."
From there, the noise escapes the car through twin exits out back, down low near the rear splitter. How does it sound? According to Peter Holderith, "it just sounds like if Darth Vader was a car."
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| The exhaust sounds a lot like a jumbo size version of this. 
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| Can’t embed from mobile, but good God. I would have to hear this in person, but my gut feeling is the sound is going to bother a lot of people worse than the idle of a Hemi. https://youtu.be/dWsBnl2dOEAImagine not having an exhaust sound and coming up with this because it somehow needs to sound badass. Either the car is rattling from that low frequency, or something in the showroom is, but if you hate guys with stupid sub setups in their rides, you’ll love this.
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| Fratzonic? Yeah, right!  I have a 2021 Dodge Challenger GT AWD with the 305 HP V6. Its my daily driver. The AWD system has been excellent in the Yooper snows. It has a real trunk that carries my groceries nicely. It also has many of the performance features the V8 Challengers have, such as Launch Control and paddle shifters. The V6 runs strong and will take you into triple digits pretty quick. If I drove less enthusiastically, I would get about 20 MPG around town. I have gotten as high as 26 MPG while at my preferred cruise speed of 75. Prior to owning the Challenger, I had a 2020 (I change cars often.) Charger. The Charger drove and performed slightly (same motor though) less than the Challenger. Its larger interior was more comfortable and its ride was softer. But I dont haul people around so 4 doors was not a need for me. And everyone in front of me in the Charger would slow down like they were in drivers ed, thinking the Charger was a slick top cop car. Both cars have been trouble free. I drove the SRT Challenger and did not feel the Hemi was worth the extra $$$ or the extra insurance costs. My only real concern with the Challenger will be replacement cost of its performance tires. I like the new concept car but have no desire to own it until I know way more about it. And I have no real interest an EV. I recently test drove a Chevrolet Blazer RS with the V6 and was impressed with it.
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| Lithium Ion batteries can be recycled. And there's a significant benefit to doing so. They contain significant valuable materials. The infrastructure of doing this has to be set up. Given that cars are already heavily recycled, there's no reason that recycling the battery packs can't be added to the scrap yards' process flow. quote: Originally posted by Bytes:
Hmmm, I wonder how they're going to make batteries for the new cars and dispose of the old ones? Seems like a bit of a problem to me.
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