I live in the most dangerous county in the nation. Knives are the weapon of choice. Most used are stolen kitchen knives from Walmart,

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Originally posted by Ed Fowler:
I live in the most dangerous county in the nation.

By what metric?

The violent crime rate in Fremont County, WY is 628 per 100k. That's about a third of the violent crime rate of the worst counties around the country, which sit at around 1500-2000 per 100k.

Fremont County does, however, have the highest violent crime rate in Wyoming by a large margin, at about double the next closest county. So perhaps you meant most dangerous county in the (overall low crime rate) state, not the nation?


Keep in mind that the stats are skewed due to the low population. For example, there were just 7 murders total in Fremont County in all of 2024. Whereas 7 murders is merely a normal weekend in Chicago, St. Louis, or DC. The difference is that there are only 40k people in Fremont County. It doesn't take much to swing the stats dramatically in a small population. +/- 1 murder makes a big difference there, whereas it doesn't even move the needle in a big city.

(Look at it this way: If you lived in a town with a population of 2, and you killed the other guy that lived there, that town's murder rate would now be 50% or 50,000 per 100,000 that year. This would be vastly, exponentially, ridiculously higher than any other murder rate in any city in all of American history. But it was just a single murder...)

Even with that skew, 7 per 40k is still just a murder rate of 17.5/100k. Compare to something like St. Louis County with a murder rate of 48/100k in 2024. Nearly triple.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I always thought that the KA-BAR TDI would be a good “get off me” defensive knife. It wouldn’t of course be of much use for stabbing, but in addition to its being easy to carry it would offer good retention and control when slashing the exposed parts of an attacker.

https://www.kabar.com/p/1480

That was my choice for a "get off me" knife. Mounted the sheath behind my magazine pouch so it was out of sight but readily available to my off hand.

^ that’s the knife my buddy Pete uses behind his mags.

The USSF version of the TDI is on clearance at the KA BAR website .

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Originally posted by Vgex:
The USSF version of the TDI is on clearance at the KA BAR website .

No wonder it's on clearance... That color is hideous.

I'd pay the extra $20 for a normal colored one, just to avoid the guys at work giving you shit about it.

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Originally posted by jimb888:
I don't have X so it doesn't load for me. Must be this one?

https://www.columbian.com/news...fatally-stabbed-him/

Thanks for posting, the article goes into the encounter, and it seems the officer played it a little too loose, IMO. Keeping him in cuffs would have been prudent for both. Maybe LEO in this forum have info about handcuff procedures once at the station.

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When they arrived, the video shows Layton telling Fogle that he would take off his handcuffs if he cooperated. Once inside, Layton removed Fogle’s handcuffs, and Fogle put his hands on his head. Layton told Fogle he didn’t have to do that, but Fogle said, “This is for your safety.”

Layton asked Fogle multiple times if Fogle planned to hurt him. Fogle promised he wouldn’t. Fogle also said, “You don’t know who you’re dealing with.” Layton asked Fogle again if Fogle was going to hurt him, and Fogle said “no.” Then, Layton told Fogle he trusted him, according to the video.

I don't see a lot of L.E. out here in the boonies.

And if I do , they are in behind the wheel.

But up in the big cities, the three that I remember that carried fixed blades.

All three had them above their duty belt, over their stomachs.


I thought it looked very precarious.
Like anyone within arms reach could grab ahold of the handle.

redoing my belt so grabbed a pic of my tdi knife.
Those weird colors are obnoxious. The point is for the knife to be hidden.

Took a defensive tactics class years ago where I ended up on my back with "bad guy" straddling me, preventing me from getting gun (a blue gun for training) out of my duty belt, although he was working on it while also throwing head punches at me. I had kept a small fixed blade behind my mag pouch. Although it wasn't there for the training the sheath was. By instinct I grabbed the sheath and dragged it across his throat. When he realized what I did he stopped.
I have been carrying one there for over 25 years (been at it 34 this September) and practice drawing it often. Always recommend it to the new/young guys. Luckily have never needed it for real.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Not weird at all, and only unusual due to the infrequency of that actually being necessary.

Knives are commonly carried by cops specifically as lethal force options for use against attackers trying to take your gun.

That was drilled in my head during the academy and FTO: Always carry a knife on your offhand side, so you can deploy and use it while your primary hand is clamped on your gun protecting it from a grab. It's something we practiced.

Deadly force isn't just bullets (though that's often the fastest and most efficient way to apply it in most scenarios). In broad strokes, deadly force is deadly force, and if you're justified in using deadly force in that moment you're justified in shooting them, stabbing them, clubbing them in the head, choking them, running them over with a car, spearing them with a harpoon, throwing them out of an airplane, etc. It just has to be reasonable for that particular situation.

Stabbing someone to death who is trying to take your gun away and kill you is reasonable and justified.

Spot on right. Couldn't agree more.

Back in about '05, when I was a patrol sergeant, I had a great professional relationship with our circuit prosecutor. One day, he asked me why officers were all carrying knives. I explained the why to him much in the same way Rogue did here.

He was astonished, agitated, and defensive. He said, "I don't know if I can go along with that." I said, "Bullets and knives both penetrate. If an officer is in reasonable fear of imminent murder or serious physical injury, the conveyance doesn't matter."

He refused to accept this. Too thick-headed. We never really spoke again after that, and I relayed my concerns about that prosecutor to my patrol shift. Fortunately, he left a short time after our disagreement.

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Originally posted by jbourneidentity:
Spot on right. Couldn't agree more.

Back in about '05, when I was a patrol sergeant, I had a great professional relationship with our circuit prosecutor. One day, he asked me why officers were all carrying knives. I explained the why to him much in the same way Rogue did here.

He was astonished, agitated, and defensive. He said, "I don't know if I can go along with that." I said, "Bullets and knives both penetrate. If an officer is in reasonable fear of imminent murder or serious physical injury, the conveyance doesn't matter."

He refused to accept this. Too thick-headed. We never really spoke again after that, and I relayed my concerns about that prosecutor to my patrol shift. Fortunately, he left a short time after our disagreement.

Prosecutor was half right, just too stuck in emotional “thinking” to get all the way there. For a cop to have to stab someone is horrible, much like a cop having to shoot someone, except as mentioned, more intimate, personal, and messier. In either case though, the situation could have been avoided by the perp making better choices. When the officer’s choices is to use deadly force on the “client” or get injured or killed, my hope is that the officer doesn’t hesitate or worry about what some retarded DA thinks.

That reminds me of a conversation about a guy shooting randomly at a crowd of people and a cop drives up and stops his car to get out and shoot him. The smartest thing would be to just drive right into him. Deadly force is deadly force, period. Too many people can't think outside the box.

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Originally posted by Alyron:
That reminds me of a conversation about a guy shooting randomly at a crowd of people and a cop drives up and stops his car to get out and shoot him. The smartest thing would be to just drive right into him.

This guy was walking down a residential street in Arizona, cranking off rounds with a stolen rifle.

One of the responding officers did just that.

I know of a deputy who killed a bad guy w/ the bad guy’s gun.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

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Originally posted by egregore:
Thinking about situations like these, folding knives suddenly don't look so hot.

why not? better than nothing and more unobtrusive for casual carry

Only a few posts above yours:
posted by Chowser:

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During a bad fight, I tried to get my pocket folder into play but my hands were so sweaty, I couldn't get it flipped open.

However, A, not being a cop, B, only carrying concealed, and C, being as unobtrusive and anonymous as possible, the chances of this happening to me are extremely low ... but not zero.

Birthday parties beware: