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Poor Engineering has nothing to do with it. Engines are typically installed among several platforms. Relocating oil filter placement for multiple platforms costs money. It’s more cost-effective to keep the oil filter location as is as long as it is still reasonably accessible. I’ve already had this discussion with my cousin who is an engineer with one of the big 3. Their hands are tied in cases like this by the bean counters. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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Your lucky. to change the oil pan on my F350 you have to pull the cab off the truck, and lift the motor. normally $4k. But in any case this ranger stuff is nothing IMO. a wheel and a few pushpins. really. There are truly a zillion cars where its worse. Now in an ideal world everybody would run a few hoses to a remote filter head in an easy location but sadly that's not the nature of it at the moment. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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Tire rotation is a part of maintenance so pulling it should not even be a problem. The skirting is bull shit but aero demands it I imagine. Obviously I’ve not seen the maintenance schedule but if it matches the 9000 mile average of my F-150 it’s pretty infrequent chore. ----------The weather is here I wish you were beautiful---------- | |||
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Oil change on a Tacoma, a breeze.. ______________________________________________ Life is short. It’s shorter with the wrong gun… | |||
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I wouldn’t even consider buying a poorly designed vehicle like that. Ridiculous. | |||
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No I wouldn’t but then again I won’t buy the first year of any vehicle. The oil filter on my 1999 Ranger was a pain in the ass so why should it be different 20 years later? | |||
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I wouldn’t buy, but if I had one I’d buy a filter relocation kit and install it in whatever 1/2 cubic foot of space I could find. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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You know that's going to happen, the same way I always find Toyota truck skid plate bolts and holes stripped, replaced with different ones (which have 13mm heads instead of the original 12) or missing. | |||
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And in my take, the bean counters and the engineers at Ford and other OEM's are both worthless. Routine maintenance should receive key attention when designing a new vehicle. Can't make the filter work in its stock location? No problem, install a remote filter option. They've been around forever and if Ford bought in volume, they'd add maybe $30-$40 to the price of a $40k Ranger. Oil drain plug inaccessible? Again, no problem. Just install an extension tube/hose and cap that 'can' be accessed without contortions. Cost to the end consumer, likely <$5. But, but, an additional $45 added to the cost of a $40k+ truck would potentially cost them sales, right? Horse pucky. Its nothing but pure laziness. [Rant]I'm sick of automaker excuses and lies. They make routine maintenance an abortion on new vehicles so the vast majority of their customers will simply take their vehicles to the dealer service dept, which is a gold mine for dealerships. If they'd simply be honest with that reality up front, the problem would still annoy me, but much less so. No different than the story that was posted out here a month or so ago noting that OEM's intend to lock all of us (including independent auto repair shops) out of the ECM's in their new vehicles to insure customers have to return to the almighty dealer service department for work.[/Rant Off] ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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First it was highlander sales were dropping. Now this. Oh boy. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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This is exactly what I thought of when reading the OP. No way in hell would buy a vehicle that the engineers did not have the forethought during the designing to the point where you have to remove the tire and wheel to change the oil filter. Also I wouldn’t buy from a company that when they found this out would not install a filter relocating kit. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Eh, big deal, these days your supposed to rotate tires about the same time oil change is due anyway... | |||
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If I were in the market for a small truck this would push me straight to the other brands. I expect maintenance nonsense like this from European makers but not on an American Truck. No one's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session.- Mark Twain | |||
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Personally, I’m hoping that so many people jump on this new Ranger that it will allow me to get a better deal on a Tacoma in the near future. | |||
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I'm struggling to figure out why it's such a big deal. I do my oil changes every 5K miles and guess what else I do at the same time? I rotate the tires and inspect the brakes. So like I said, what's the big deal? Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six | |||
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i would never change my own oil on a new modern car especially while under warranty. Honesty I would never change my own oil anyway...I work a bunch and any free time I have I’m sure as shit not gonna be spending it doing tasks I can pay someone else a nominal fee to do. _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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It’s actually like in its 9th year in production. The “New” ranger is actually nearing the end of its life cycle as it’s been out in Europe and Mexico basically since the old Ranger went bye bye. People who live near the Mexico border in CA have probably seen them for years. The new Ecoboost is probably a new engine combo for this market though so in that regard you are correct. _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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The local oil change dropouts will probably break half or more of the plastic push pins getting them out, not tell you they broken them of course, and then your panel will inconveniently fall off somewhere 100 miles away. Plastic push pins suck taking off and are hard not to break without the proper tools. | |||
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Haven't a clue what the deal is with Highlander sales. I change my oil about every 7,500 miles. My truck is fairly simple to do, and I enjoy doing the work. On the other hand, I have certificates on my tires at Discount Tire (basically insurance) that entitles me to unlimited rotate and balances, so I let Discount handle this work given I want the tires re-balanced every time they're rotated. I just get rather annoyed with the design work of engineers who've very likely never turned a wrench or done repair work on a vehicle in their entire lives. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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This is true but that doesn't mean that this isn't poor planning or at least inconsiderate. As an example, I had a 2000 S10 ZR2, these sat 3" higher and 4" wider than the standard 4x4 S10 and with the modifications, there was no realistic room for the oil filter to go into the default location. GM's solution, filter relocated to behind the front skid plate which had an access panel built in, problem solved. Things like this are huge factors for me as I do my own maintenance on every vehicle the wife and I have owned with the exception of her 2018 Durango, that gets serviced by the dealer because as long as we have it done there every 5k miles, they'll warranty the drive line for life. ___________________________ Not giving a damn since...whenever... | |||
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