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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
The striking teachers -- and politicians caving to them -- lack a rudimentary knowledge of the real reasons teacher salaries aren't as high as they want and their school books and materials are old and scant. After years of advocacy, with no substantial support oher than a few stalwarts here, it is tremendously gratifying to see a lengthy article completely agreeing, and with the facts and figures, with my proposal to close the public schools. It is much too lengthy to post here, and has lots of charts, tables, etc, a cut and paste nightmare. Link Read and heed! [Edit to correct link. Thanks, Veeper!] Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | ||
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The teacher’s unions have been complicit in creating a system that reaches into students and parents lives much further than reading, writing and arithmetic. They’ve done it to expand their membership and influence in an effort to secure more power for themselves. Now the whole system is out of control and unsustainable. They will get what they deserve | |||
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| bigger government = smaller citizen  |
This link will take you to the top of the article: http://thefederalist.com/2018/...to-students-parents/  “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
Better yet, send their paychecks to those of us without school age children who are fleeced out of thousands every year for zero benefit. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Indianapolis Public schools are floating an tax increase of almost one billion dollars. It was supposed to be on the May ballot where nobody notices, but have pushed it to November. They will probably get it as no one pays attention | |||
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Quit staring at my wife's Butt |
I would love to see them all get canned, state by state and bust the unions and get back to reality. our private school cuts thru all the crap and gets things done today. I'm paying twice. | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
With regards to OK, my understanding is (please correct if wrong); the state only spends what it has. The state spends what was received the year prior. The teachers do not accept this and want the state to give them raises today based on forecasted money the state receives in the future (ie; teachers want the state to go into debt for them). Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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| Move Up or Move Over |
I can make 2 lists of 20 items. One will describe a prison. the other will describe a government indoctrination building (aka - school). The lists will be identical. Mark | |||
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The Teachers union is a great thing apparently, if you are not the one paying the bills. My Brother is a retired teacher. With 2 degrees he made the max pay possible for a middle school teacher here. Now retired, he gets his full salary and free health care for LIFE! He has never complained and doesn't now... actually he contently keeps his mouth shut about it. WTF are these people complaining about? For the record, due to personal experiences I'm not a fan of educators in general. Collecting dust. | |||
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| Bunch of savages in this town  |
This is what is happening locally. We have a HUGE influx of refugees into our community. The majority don't work. They drive nicer cars than I can afford. They are buying houses at an alarming rate. Most aren't even on the market for a day. They move 3-4 families into "single family dwellings", yet send all their kids to public schools, but only pay school taxes based on one dwelling. Some of these kids can't speak English, and most of the parents don't. From what I am seeing, the few that do work, work for families, and get paid cash. No taxes like the rest of us. How do we fix this? ----------------- I apologize now... | |||
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As is often the case, there might be another side to this story. I spent 35 years teaching Technical and Industrial education in high school. I have a Master's Degree and believe it or not, I almost made the incredible sum of $50,000 in my last year. I also had an administrative certificate and was a department head. There certainly are problems in public education and anyone who denies this is a fool. However it may be that they are not entirely the fault of the teachers and that there are a significant number of teachers who work very hard and are effective. Certainly there are some who are not. Just for grins, how many of us think the criminal justice system is working well. The police catch them sometimes (God bless the cops!) and what happens? The crook is back out before the officer finishes the paperwork. How about the medical profession. Ever look up the annual deaths due to doctor mistakes? Last week in the doctor's office I had to point out the correct order of the two blood work tests even though I had highlighted the dates on them. As we look at the jobs of others, I suppose we could just fire everyone in every job but maybe we need to take a look at the problems relating to their job before we do it. Here's a link to some comments by a Florida teacher of the year. I tried to verify they are authentic. She calls it like it is and seems to be Second Amendment supportive. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018...school-shooting.html | |||
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Political Cynic |
find that house, report them and deport them [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
What puzzles me is that the hard working competent teachers are not willing to support the changes to a private system that would benefit them enormously, higher salaries and benefits, and rid them of much of the nonsense inflicted on them, us and the students by the public school authorities. Maybe they do but dare not say it publicly. I know some retired teachers who do support my approach. There is no reason to assume that the shortcomings of the public school system are the fault of teachers, at least not all of them or even most of them. The system isn’t getting the job done as it is, and should be changed. Too much resources are expended, too little results. There is too much teaching and not enough learning! In my scheme, private organizations would provide an education varying in approach, some for Rhode Scholar wannabees, some for street sweepers, some for beauticians, some for diplomats, musicians, truck drivers, plumbers. Not everyone needs the same skills and information. Parents can pick what is appropriate, suited, for their child. Programs which are doing the job effectively will draw more students. Those who aren’t won’t. Teachers who are effective will be in demand. Others less so will find other opportunities. Close the schools, sell the land. What about Friday night football? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Gene, great post, and also the link to a great article. I can't believe what todays teachers have to put up with. It definitely starts at home. I'm in and out of people's homes daily, and can't believe what parents allow their kids to act like. Just scary what this is all leading up to! _________________________________________________ "Once abolish the God, and the Government becomes the God." --- G.K. Chesterton | |||
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The Tucson Unified School District had a superintendent several years ago who wanted to hire three administrative assistants at $94,000 per year, each. They were three of her chums, I might add. The public got wind of her scheme and the idea went away. So did she when her contract expired, off to a school district in Colorado.. I don't mind paying more money for teachers and maintenance help, but let's not throw away taxpayer money for unnecessary administrative help. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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| Corgis Rock |
From the article link: "While Oklahoma has the country’s lowest tax on oil and natural gas production, teachers’ salaries remain stubbornly low, at 49th in the nation. According to data provided by the National Education Association (NEA), teachers make $45,276, nearly $13,077 below the nationwide average of $58,353 and well below the nationwide high of New York." If your salary is $13,077 below average, would $6,000 fix it? When it's phased in over 3 years? I guarantee it would be many years before another raise came along. This raise is the first raise of any kind in 10 years. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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My "adopted sister" is a teacher, but I'll be quick to say: as a non-parent, I'm more than a little peeved with my rate of return on this investment! I work with some bright kids on the local high school robotics team, but many others I see out there are clearly not holding onto the lessons the teachers are offering. God bless America. | |||
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paradox in a box |
Well maybe no benefit. But home values are directly tied to school system quality. Of course if your school system sucks then, yeah, you are getting fleeced. These go to eleven. | |||
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| Drill Here, Drill Now |
As suspected, the NEA grabbed misleading data. Oklahoma is #6 most affordable state (#5 cost of living and #6 housing cost) so it makes sense that their salary is below the median. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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| Drill Here, Drill Now |
School system tests well on standardized tests so they rank fine, but they teach to the tests and kids don't really learn. Soon as standardized testing is done its movie time. Home values are imaginary until you sell. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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