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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:

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Originally posted by OttoSig:

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
I’ve been in the tire business over 50 years and nobody does 5 tire rotations. Some buy a full size wheel and a good used tire so they have a full size spare but that’s unusual.

Is what I’m reading online about 5 tire rotation just people going overboard?

Not asking to question your experience. I’m genuinely interested in knowing.

In my opinion, yes it is going overboard. When we rotate we typically cross one axle and move the other straight. LF to RR. RF to LR. RR to RF. And LR to LF. After three rotations each tire has been on a different corner.

I bought a 5th tire, putting it on the spare I’ll have a tire that isn’t 1” difference in diameter, but only whatever tread depth I’ve worn. So I guess that’s no different than from the factory.

FWIW, I do a 5-tire rotation (rearward cross) on my Cherokee with every oil change (between 9-10K miles).

I figure since there is no spare, whatever tire is in the spare well is within 1/32” of any tire mounted, so no 4WD/traction control issues to worry about, and since each tire is only on the road 4/5 of the time, that gets me an extra 20% out of the life of a set.

Last time I tried to get a shop to do a 5-tire rotation (I had it in for a flat repair and it was about time anyway), I could NOT get the tech to understand which tire went where - even with a diagram - so I had to do it myself. I guess maybe it is a rarity these days.

-Rob

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
I’ve been in the tire business over 50 years and nobody does 5 tire rotations. Some buy a full size wheel and a good used tire so they have a full size spare but that’s unusual.

Well, I rotate all 5 tires on my Jeep and always have. I have the full size spare so might as well use it. It absolutely extends the life of your tires to rotate all five.

BurtonRW
If you came into our shop my guys would ask you where you wanted the tires and write it down.
You get 20% more life. You paid 20% more up front. And at the end of the tread life you’re running 20%? older tires. Not faulting your method at all, just some additional thoughts on it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
I’ve been in the tire business over 50 years and nobody does 5 tire rotations. Some buy a full size wheel and a good used tire so they have a full size spare but that’s unusual.

Well, I rotate all 5 tires on my Jeep and always have. I have the full size spare so might as well use it. It absolutely extends the life of your tires to rotate all five.

In your case I might do the same. But when I replaced I would buy 4 of whatever tires I preferred at that time, save the best of the five for a spare and go to a four tire rotation.
We also have customers buy 3 to match the spare and go that way.

There’s no issue putting the odd size tire on the front axle of a stock Super Duty as the hubs are unlocked in 2wd.

They lock in 4wd of course, but the differential does not, so it won’t make much difference then either. Unless Ford changed it in the last couple years, the only time you should be in 4wd in a Super Duty is when it’s actually slippery. Snow, mud, gravel, loose dirt, wet grass, algae covered boat ramp, etc. Wet pavement doesn’t count if you have good tires. You’ll here the tires and drive train make awful noises as the drive train binds up.

The odd size on the rear causes the differential to do more work, but probably has no affect for the short time you are using the spare. It’ll cause problems if you lock the differential and drive straight on a surface with good traction, but like 4wd, you aren’t supposed to be driving around with the differential locked when you have good traction.

It’s a truck, not some delicate snowflake AWD crossover.

It's been a couple years since I retired from working but we always found matching rims from LKQ.

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Originally posted by ador:
...When I had VW, I was a member of a VW forum. Also for Jeep forum. I find OEM wheels on their classified all the time... .

This ^. I was looking for 2 (One to use for 5 wheel rotation and one as a back-up) Ended up buying a set of 4 someone took off as soon as they bought theirs (Common)... Then turned around and sold the 2 I didn't need.

@OttoSig: good move

Side Rant(s):
- Wheels in general seem WAY overpriced (BMW +50% and they are fragile as hell... went thru 4 or 5 in 50k miles)
- If I were to do it over again, I would have shelved the OEMs and gone aftermarket from the go
- Double check with dealer before you mount up the tire to the new wheel... I messed up, did not get the serial # off the sensor and several months later when it came time to use it, had to take the damn tire off the wheel just to get the # so it could be programed in
- 3rd gen Tacoma, huge fault: It can only capture 4 sensors.

I was able years ago to source a replacement OEM wheel off classifieds, and would try similar with Craigslist etc. now. I'd never buy new OEM unless a very high end car.

Specific model discussion forums also good source if you can be patient for the right wheel to show up. I have a spare set acquired that way for the car in my avatar that I paid about $1K for, with under 1K miles on them.

I did the replace with aftermarket upgrade wheels once on a Yukon in same situation. As I recall I paid about $500 more for the tire/wheel package than I was going to have to for just a wheel.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It absolutely extends the life of your tires to rotate all five.

By about 20% I'd guess?


Krazee's strategy is good, and also allows for easier change over to different tire sooner. Not to mention if it's a Jeep you don't drive a ton, not getting to point of having older rubber on is a positive.

YMMV, as in all things.

Take a peek at the 21 inch AMG wheels - 265f and 285r - that had to be replaced after hitting a pothole in our appalling roads...

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
Take a peek at the 21 inch AMG wheels - 265f and 285r - that had to be replaced after hitting a pothole in our appalling roads...

Ouch! (Been there, just not that severe) Promise: I will never buy another vehicle without first researching tires and wheels

FWIW: I dislike government mandates as much as the next person; but I would be nice if car stickers had to include things like average replacement and maintenance parts, labor, etc.

Earlier this year, I hit a small open utility hole while heading over to see mom. Bent my rim, flatted the tire and broke the brake caliper (22 RAM). The insurance company ended up spending over $1000 for the new rim.

I just bought a used wheel(rim) shipped was $127.
Came out of a salvage yard in New Jersey.

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Originally posted by Georgeair:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It absolutely extends the life of your tires to rotate all five.

By about 20% I'd guess?

It costs 25% more to replace 5 tires instead of 4.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by Georgeair:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It absolutely extends the life of your tires to rotate all five.

By about 20% I'd guess?

It costs 25% more to replace 5 tires instead of 4.

It costs 25% more, which would be 20% of the cost of the set. Same as extended life.

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Originally posted by Speedbird:

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Originally posted by tacfoley:
...21 inch AMG wheels that had to be replaced after hitting a pothole in our appalling roads...

Ouch! Promise: I will never buy another vehicle without first researching tires and wheels.

Yeah, mine came with 22" x 10" wheels from the factory.

The previous owner said that the original wheels were stolen and he could only find replicas. Good times...