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Honky Lips |
I'm in the market for a new car and electric or plug in hybrid seem to tick a lot of boxes for me. Does anyone have one and maybe some insight? | ||
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We have a '17 volt. Current tank of gas has lasted 3800 miles. We have used approximately 35 gallons with 5700 miles driven. With next fillup it will be 45ish with over 9000mi Electric bill is up around $20 a month and she averages around 900 electric miles a month. Torque is great, no real bitches at all. ------------------------------------ My books on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/William-...id=1383531982&sr=8-1 email if you'd like auto'd copies. | |||
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Only the strong survive |
You said TORQUE.... Just don't get an electric motorcycle! 41 | |||
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August, 1963 Popular Mechanics Magazine cover, a scooter powered by an automotive starter and 12-volt auto battery. A friend of my father's designed and built it, I got to ride it once. Nearly impossible to balance! -------------------------- Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H L Mencken I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. -- JALLEN 10/18/18 | |||
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Neighbor has a Tesla, let me drive it once. Awesome experience. More quiet than an electric golf cart, yet you are doing 85mph. Wife works with two people who have Volts. She said they love them. We price shopped, but still a little pricey for us. Blaming the crime on the gun, is like blaming a bad story on the pencil. | |||
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Resale value is awful on volts, so getting a 2 year old car can be very worth it. After supplier discount and tax rebate ours was around 22k ------------------------------------ My books on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/William-...id=1383531982&sr=8-1 email if you'd like auto'd copies. | |||
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Thanks for the info. With all the hype NO ONE talks mileage or fuel costs. | |||
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Purveyor of Death and Destruction |
How come? | |||
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All electrics seem that way, battery fears I guess but it's really a non issue. ------------------------------------ My books on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/William-...id=1383531982&sr=8-1 email if you'd like auto'd copies. | |||
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Free men do not ask permission to bear arms |
How about A/C battery drain in hot climates? A gun in the hand is worth more than ten policemen on the phone. The American Revolution was carried out by a group of gun toting religious zealots. | |||
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my brother will be purchasing his second prius , this year. and two of the sewing ladies are on their second prius cars. he and his wife are in their 70's, and they say on 12 and 15 hour trips, its not as comfortable as a full size actual car, but 4 hour trips are fineThis message has been edited. Last edited by: bendable, Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
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http://www.fleetcarma.com/chev...lt-low-resale-value/ This was big news a couple years ago. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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Heater drain in cold is worse. Volt is rated for 53 miles electric. We get 42-60 depending on speed, temp, accessories. ------------------------------------ My books on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/William-...id=1383531982&sr=8-1 email if you'd like auto'd copies. | |||
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Yep, my daily driver is a Leaf. Had it 3 years. Ever since I got it, I haven't spent more than $100 a month on gasoline. I've got other vehicles in the garage, 2 and 4 wheels, they are all sport/enthusiast models. So when I'm burning gas it's for fun and leisure, basically gas use is weekend only. I leased the Leaf initially but just bought it when the lease ended, for $6700, and also purchased a 6 year bumper to bumper warranty from Nissan. It's been great for me, relatively maintenance free and I've never had to spend a dime to power it. Nobody pays the car any attention. I put panels on the house shortly after I got the car. Car saves me about a grand a year in fuel costs. Panels save me a few thousand per year. So I'm saving money and have insulated myself from kwh and oil barrel price swings for the most part. Be warned. Idiots will label you a liberal due to the car. Many still don't understand that many of us drive electric to save money not to be a fucking eco-warrior. kwh is much cheaper than gas and if you can get a kwh grid plan that has free nights, you can make the car fuel free. The Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf are the two affordable options on the market. Nissan has a new Leaf that will be out at the end of the year. It will have 200+ mile range. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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Shaman |
I was building one out of a Geo Metro. But I ran out of free time. He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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Yup, we used to catch shit all the time with the Prius. It's all about fuel costs with us. The volt doesn't catch the same level of hate. ------------------------------------ My books on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/William-...id=1383531982&sr=8-1 email if you'd like auto'd copies. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
Do you folks that own them have any spreadsheets where you've run the numbers? Prefontaine doesn't spend a dime on power for his Leaf because he has solar panels. How much did those cost? I'm curious how that system is set up as well, since most people would charge their electric vehicles overnight. The Volt is interesting. My rough calculation says it costs $.04 a mile to run it electric not counting amortizing the battery. It's about $.06 a mile on gas. I have to wonder what the mileage on gas would be if it didn't have to haul around the battery. If you assume the battery in the Volt runs $6,000 and will last 120,000 miles, it costs 50% more to run the Volt on electric than gas. Again, these are rough calculations and I'm not knocking electrics or hybrids, but everytime I've looked at them, the numbers haven't worked out for me especially when I factor in resale. | |||
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no joke. I just looked up the Volt on the local car classifieds. all the new ones are in the $30k to $40k range, with the two used ones (2014 models) in the $16k range. ____________________________ While you may be able to get away with bottom shelf whiskey, stay the hell away from bottom shelf tequila. - FishOn | |||
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Curious questions re electric cars. How much is the tax rebate; how much are the overall gov't subsidies (ie, how much "savings" is truly due to improved economics and how much savings is due to having someone else pay for your consumption? How much of that taxpayer subsidy goes to save planet earth, v how much goes to fund crony capitalism? What are the overall environmental benefits considering the pollution due to the mining/manufacturing/recycling/disposal of battery components, the pollutants created in generating the electricity? Sidenotes. The electricity generated by the Ivanpah solar power plant in the Mojave Desert is very expensive, and the plant had to register as a gross polluter. Also, I live within fifteen miles of the Tesla HQ, and also the Tesla manufacturing facility. One neighbor designs robots for Tesla. I am not unfamiliar with the industry. I am not saying electric cars are the wrong thing. I merely would like to get honest answers to these questions. It seems all those who provide studies have a vested interest in the success of the industry. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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My solar lease is $99 a month with tax. Kwh bill for May was $24. May, kwh only (no panels) I would have paid double that, around $250. We'll be at a consistent 95-100 degrees shortly, through summer into September. That's when I save the most. Panels are not some easy thing to calculate on your spreadsheet. Which way does your roof face, azimuth, sq. footage avail for panel installation, geographic area. Does your municipality even allow it, do you have a hoa, do they allow it? There are so many calculations and variables that have to be made. I got lucky. My house faces the perfect direction, pitch of the roof was perfect, lots of sq footage facing the right direction available, so I got a lot of panels. Everything was optimum or ideal which is why I signed the dotted line. The only way to answer your question is to have a solar company come out and do an evaluation. They'll email you the results, and a quote, then you have to run your calculations. arcwelder, on here, was a big help to me. I think his lease is like $50 a month because he is up North and doesn't have the juice requirements we have in the South with the heat and humidity. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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