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TSA finds undeclared 84 mm caliber weapon in checked luggage at Texas airport

Owner advised the item is a de-militarized 84MM Carl-Gustaf M4 recoilless rifle

By Pilar Arias | Fox News

Transportation Security Administration officers at an airport in Texas found an undeclared, 84 mm caliber weapon in outbound checked luggage Monday, according to an agency tweet.

"We don't see that caliber of weapon very often, thank god," TSA spokesperson Patricia Mancha told San Antonio TV station KENS 5. She added the case has been handed over to the San Antonio Police Department.

The owner of the luggage was located, identified and escorted to an office, an SAPD spokesman told Fox News Digital. 

The owner advised the item is a de-militarized 84MM Carl-Gustaf M4 recoilless rifle that was to be used as exhibit/demo item at the SHOT show currently happening in Las Vegas, Nevada.

The owner identified the steps taken to "demilitarize" the prop and produced company paperwork to that effect. 

A TSA Explosives Specialist also confirmed item was no longer able to be used; however, a TSA supervisor declared item would not be allowed onboard aircraft. 

The unidentified party cooperated with police, and a family member retrieved the prop. The man rebooked his departing flight. 

At this time, no charges are pending in the case, but the incident at the San Antonio International Airport is being used to remind travelers how to transport firearms and ammunition.

Firearm owners may transport unloaded firearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage only, according to the TSA website. They must declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking their bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted.



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A TSA Explosives Specialist also confirmed item was no longer able to be used; however, a TSA supervisor declared item would not be allowed onboard aircraft. 

Because it looked scary and had that little shoulder thing that goes up.


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"We don't see that caliber of weapon very often, thank god," TSA spokesperson Patricia Mancha told San Antonio TV station KENS 5.

"very often"? Just how many recoilless rifles do you suppose are floating around in civilian hands? Does TSA think everybody has one?
 
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The owner advised the item is a de-militarized 84MM Carl-Gustaf M4 recoilless rifle that was to be used as exhibit/demo item at the SHOT show currently happening in Las Vegas, Nevada.

The owner identified the steps taken to "demilitarize" the prop and produced company paperwork to that effect.

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Firearm owners may transport unloaded firearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage only, according to the TSA website. They must declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking their bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted.


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So, if it's certified demiltarized, and no longer a firearm, would it need to be declared as a firearm & can TSA actually prohibit it?




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So, if it's certified demiltarized, and no longer a firearm, would it need to be declared as a firearm & can TSA actually prohibit it?
F'real?
This just sounds like a bunch of drama queens.

TSA: "Well, we cant let you fly with it now, we already made this huge scene over what is essentially an inert piece of components"... Roll Eyes


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They don't even allow gun shaped keyrings or belt buckles.


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They do in your checked luggage.

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So let me see if I’ve got this right: you can’t fly with a metal tube if said tube was, once upon a time, used as part of a destructive device? I don’t think there needs to be a lawsuit over this or anything like that, but it would be nice if the TSA would send the guy a letter saying they were wrong, and that he is welcome to check his fancy metal tube on future flights.

If the TSA folks had never seen a de-milled goose before, I’m willing to forgive using their discretion and erring on the side of caution. However, they need to follow up after the fact and learn what the correct answer should have been, so they don’t need to rely on discretion the next time it happens.

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The owner advised the item is a de-militarized 84MM Carl-Gustaf M4 recoilless rifle that was to be used as exhibit/demo item at the SHOT show currently happening in Las Vegas, Nevada.

The owner identified the steps taken to "demilitarize" the prop and produced company paperwork to that effect.

...

Firearm owners may transport unloaded firearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage only, according to the TSA website. They must declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking their bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted.


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So, if it's certified demiltarized, and no longer a firearm, would it need to be declared as a firearm & can TSA actually prohibit it?


Sure, if it is scary enough.

I mean, he might have whipped it out and threatened to blow up the cockpit door. How would the stewardess know it was de-milled?




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The owner advised the item is a de-militarized 84MM Carl-Gustaf M4 recoilless rifle that was to be used as exhibit/demo item at the SHOT show currently happening in Las Vegas, Nevada.

The owner identified the steps taken to "demilitarize" the prop and produced company paperwork to that effect.

...

Firearm owners may transport unloaded firearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage only, according to the TSA website. They must declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking their bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted.


Confused
So, if it's certified demiltarized, and no longer a firearm, would it need to be declared as a firearm & can TSA actually prohibit it?


Sure, if it is scary enough.

I mean, he might have whipped it out and threatened to blow up the cockpit door. How would the stewardess know it was de-milled?


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Transportation Security Administration officers at an airport in Texas found an undeclared, 84 mm caliber weapon in outbound checked luggage Monday, according to an agency tweet.

If he was able to retrieve it from his checked bag, I'd be impressed.




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From the article linked in the OP

If the damn thing is demilitarized, why can't it go wherever other metal bits can go?

Do they do a halfway job de-milling stuff, or is the TSA just ridiculously paranoid?

Sorry, I just answered my own question....
 
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I'm just checking here to ask, "Can it be reconstituted?"

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Nice carry-on setup. (I know it was in baggage)
Looks like the typical "emotional support" anti-tank gun. Seems legit to me.
 
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I'm just checking here to ask, "Can it be reconstituted?"

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People have, haven’t seen any test fires though.
 
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I know a guy that works for CG, hopefully wasn’t him
Either way, I’m sure it was likely an upstanding veteran and they had flown with similar times before
Just takes one TSA reetaaaard though


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The Carl Gustaf Recoilless Rifle Confiscated By TSA Was All Legal

While TSA was quick to show off the confiscated recoilless rifle, the weapon was demilitarized, declared, and perfectly legal to fly with.

BY EMMA HELFRICH
PUBLISHED JAN 18, 2023 10:26 PM

A Carl Gustaf 84mm recoilless rifle was confiscated by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) from a passenger flying out of the San Antonio International Airport in Texas this week. Despite reports that have been circulating and TSA's initial claims on the matter, it turns out that the weapon was demilitarized and could fly as checked luggage, although that is not how things ended up working out...

...On top of that, when ultimately detained following the discovery of the weapon, the passenger was able to provide TSA with all of the necessary paperwork explaining that his Carl Gustaf was demilitarized. This means the weapon’s components that allow it to fire had been rendered inoperable, essentially leaving it as a prop weapon. Dallas News also reported that a TSA explosives specialist was able to confirm that the weapon would not fire.

What this means is that the overall misunderstanding started at the check-in desk. The owner of the Carl Gustaf followed all of the necessary protocols and procedures required of all travelers by TSA to check and fly with a weapon, even with his being demilitarized, but the airline failed to let TSA know that they should expect it in the checked luggage for this flight...


Complete article:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-w...by-tsa-was-all-legal
 
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