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SCOTUS Rejects Appeal of Maryland's AWB
November 27, 2017, 11:06 AM
Otto PilotSCOTUS Rejects Appeal of Maryland's AWB
Anybody have an opinion of what they are waiting for, or are they just going to let this particular sort of ban roll?
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Top court spurns challenge to Maryland assault weapons banAndrew Chung
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court, which has avoided major gun cases for seven years, on Monday declined to hear a challenge backed by the National Rifle Association to Maryland’s 2013 state ban on assault weapons enacted after a Connecticut school massacre.
U.S. Supreme Court is seen in Washington, U.S., November 27, 2017. The Court, which has avoided major gun cases for seven years, on Monday declined to hear a challenge backed by the National Rifle Association to Maryland's 2013 state ban on assault weapons enacted after a Connecticut school massacre. REUTERS/Yuri Gripas
The court turned away an appeal by several Maryland residents, firearms dealers and the state NRA association, who argued that the ban violated their right to keep and bear arms under the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment.
The justices sidestepped the roiling national debate over the availability of military-style guns to the public.
The case focused on weapons that have become a recurring feature in U.S. mass shootings including the Nov. 5 attack at a Texas church that killed 26 people, the Oct. 1 attack at a Las Vegas concert that killed 58 people, and the 2012 massacre of 20 schoolchildren and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, which prompted Maryland’s law.
Assault weapons are popular among gun enthusiasts.
The challengers, who had sued Maryland’s governor and other officials in 2013, appealed a February ruling by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia that upheld the state’s law. The 4th Circuit, ruling 10-4, said it had no power to extend constitutional protections to “weapons of war.”
Maryland’s ban outlaws “assault long guns,” mostly semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 and AK-47, as well as large-capacity magazines, which prevent the need for frequent reloading.
Backed by the influential NRA gun lobby, the plaintiffs said in a court filing that semi-automatic rifles are in common use and that law-abiding citizens should not be deprived of them.
“The sands are always shifting with the Supreme Court,” Democratic Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh said. “I hope that this means they have reached a conclusion that they are not going to fiddle with assault weapons bans across the country.”
The Supreme Court last year left in place assault weapon bans in New York and Connecticut.
https://www.reuters.com/articl...ns-ban-idUSKBN1DR1SE
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November 27, 2017, 11:12 AM
Skins2881quote:
The 4th Circuit, ruling 10-4, said it had no power to extend constitutional protections to “weapons of war.”
What branches of military are using AR15s? Are they very common in war?
Jesse
Sic Semper Tyrannis November 27, 2017, 11:14 AM
Otto PilotI guess weapons of war look scary, so that must be it. They have truly bought the EBR idea...
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November 27, 2017, 11:14 AM
Balzé Halzéquote:
The 4th Circuit, ruling 10-4, said it had no power to extend constitutional protections to “weapons of war.”
That's just simply outrageous to me. Nearly every firearm ever made, including the ones available to the men who drafted the Constitution, was a "weapon of war."
This is all just a bit infuriating.
~Alan
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November 27, 2017, 11:24 AM
Pipe SmokerWas the rejection a ruling of the full court? Which justices were for and against the rejection?
Serious about crackers. November 27, 2017, 11:43 AM
JALLENquote:
Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
Was the rejection a ruling of the full court? Which justices were for and against the rejection?
I think you will find that the Petition for Writ of Certiorari did not get 4 votes to accept.
The Supremes receive thousands of Petitions every year and can only deal with a tiny fraction of them.
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The Certiorari Act of 1925 gives the Court the discretion to decide whether or not to do so. In a petition for a writ of certiorari, a party asks the Court to review its case. The Supreme Court agrees to hear about 100-150 of the more than 7,000 cases that it is asked to review each year.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown November 27, 2017, 11:47 AM
konata88If a militia is not allowed to bear a weapon of war, then of what use is a militia?
So tired of this -- the government has a conflict of interest here. They should not be allowed to make restrictions to bear arms. They should only penalize (heavily if needed) the use of arms used in criminal actions.
"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy
"A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book November 27, 2017, 11:53 AM
BurtonRWI'm not entirely broken up about this.
Remember - Gorsuch only replaced Scalia. We're still at a 4/4 split with no telling which way the swing vote will go (or who it will be for that matter).
It could have been a spectacular victory - or an equally spectacular loss at this point, particularly following Vegas.
-Rob
I predict that there will be many suggestions and statements about the law made here, and some of them will be spectacularly wrong. - jhe888
A=A November 27, 2017, 11:58 AM
Shaqlquote:
Originally posted by Skins2881:
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The 4th Circuit, ruling 10-4, said it had no power to extend constitutional protections to “weapons of war.”
Well, wouldn't the founding fathers been surprised! I didn't realize that muskets weren't a weapon of war.
Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed.
Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists.
Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed.
November 27, 2017, 12:02 PM
RogueJSKquote:
Originally posted by BurtonRW:
I'm not entirely broken up about this.
Remember - Gorsuch only replaced Scalia. We're still at a 4/4 split with no telling which way the swing vote will go (or who it will be for that matter).
It could have been a spectacular victory - or an equally spectacular loss at this point, particularly following Vegas.
-Rob
This.
In the words of Alonzo Harris:
The conservative justices are biding their time to find the right case at the right time, with the right mix of justices on the bench, to ensure a solid unambiguous victory.
They want to avoid the risk of setting a bad legal precedent, as it's easier to create precedence than it is to override an earlier set.
November 27, 2017, 12:02 PM
Yanert98Very disappointing.
At times I am content to let these liberal states run their own little pockets of tyranny as long as the Free States can continue practicing liberty.
But they never seem content to let us be. And they continue trying to push their bullshit 'weapons of war' narrative on the rest of us.
I hope the SC finds enough backbone in my lifetime to put this bullshit to rest.
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"If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.." - Thomas Sowell
November 27, 2017, 12:04 PM
esdunbarVery disappointed The Court didn't take this case.
This is most certainly a Constitutional Issue that effects the entire nation. If this case doesn't qualify, I don't know what does.
November 27, 2017, 12:04 PM
mbinkyPersonally I don't think the Supremes will be touching the second any time soon, if ever again. Too political. Maybe if there are a few more conservative (or liberal) judges, but not at the current makeup. Think they are content to leave it at the state level.
November 27, 2017, 12:06 PM
esdunbarquote:
Originally posted by mbinky:
Personally I don't think the Supremes will be touching the second any time soon, if ever again. Too political. Maybe if there are a few more conservative (or liberal) judges, but not at the current makeup. Think they are content to leave it at the state level.
If they ever get a liberal majority, I fear they'll take the case and stick it to us.
November 27, 2017, 02:55 PM
Super Shooterquote:
Originally posted by Skins2881:
[QUOTE]The 4th Circuit, ruling 10-4, said it had no power to extend constitutional protections to “weapons of war.”
Wasn't the intent of the 2nd amendment to keep and bear weapons of war, current equivalent small arms that the government uses?
November 27, 2017, 03:31 PM
bertoThomas, Alito, and probably(hopefully) Gorsuch know they need five votes to overturn. They also know which justice/s might not get in line on this particular case. Assume three to overturn, four to uphold, and two in play. Roberts and/or Kennedy might not be playing ball on overturning an AWB right now. SCOTUS can hold off until there's a circuit split or a better lineup. I'd love for them to do what's right and what's required but four of them won't under any circumstance and Roberts has shown he'll do the gymnastics necessary to blow with the wind and Kennedy is in final stage legacy build mode.
November 27, 2017, 03:37 PM
konata88We need to get away from this 'weapons of war' bullshit and other Leftist red herrings.
It's the right of a person to defend oneself against tyranny in whatever form it takes. No restrictions.
This shouldn't even have to go to the SC. These laws shouldn't be on the books. The SC needs to drive a tops down effort to eliminate any law that is in conflict with rights or the Constitution. There is some much politically based bloat on the books it's ridiculous.
"Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy
"A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book November 27, 2017, 04:16 PM
c1steveRight now the court is 4-4, plus Kennedy. Ginsburg is 84, Breyer is 79. All we need is Ginsburg to pass away or fall asleep too often, then the Supreme Court will come back and align better with the US Constitution. Soon it will be 5-4 or 6-3 in our favor.
-c1steve
November 27, 2017, 04:23 PM
BBMWWe need a similar challenge in a gun friendly circuit that contradicts the 4th Circuit opinion. That would force the SCOTUS to get off it's ass and do it's job.
November 27, 2017, 04:27 PM
JALLENquote:
Originally posted by c1steve:
Right now the court is 4-4, plus Kennedy. Ginsburg is 84, Breyer is 79. All we need is Ginsburg to pass away or fall asleep too often, then the Supreme Court will come back and align better with the US Constitution. Soon it will be 5-4 or 6-3 in our favor.
Better hope for the election of Roy Moore, as distasteful as that may seem to some.
Right now, it will be a close run thing, whether any replacements can be gotten on board before elections muddle things up. You can bet if the margin goes to 51-49, there will be some big egos even bigger.
It’ll be like my old classmates, Willie Makit, and Betty Wont.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown