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October 15, 2017, 11:42 AM
Tuckerrnr1
American Medical Assn: "Guns kill people..."



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October 15, 2017, 11:45 AM
Scooter123
More people are killed every year by medical mistakes than any other type of unexpected death. So, how about some articles about how the leading source of MRSA and other anti biotic resistant infections are Hospitals. Then there are the simple mistakes in treatment that result in fatalities, truth is there are "hospitals" out that that should not be permitted to treat anything more serious than a paper cut.


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October 15, 2017, 11:52 AM
ensigmatic
quote:
Originally posted by Scooter123:
... how about some articles about how the leading source of MRSA and other anti biotic resistant infections are Hospitals.

Oh, it's worse than that. At least in my personal experience. I would venture to say I know more people who've contracted an anti-biotic infection in hospitals, after going in for one-or-another treatment or procedure, than those who have not. By a wide margin.

TBH: I've become afraid of becoming sick or injured such that hospitalization is required mainly due to what seems to be to be the odds that, if whatever puts me there doesn't do me in, whatever I catch there will.

Put in the perspective of this thread: I'm far more fearful of hospitals than I am my fellow armed citizen. By a wide margin.



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October 15, 2017, 12:00 PM
darthfuster
Where was the AMA on the ACA?



You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
October 15, 2017, 12:03 PM
Kevbo
No doubt squarely in favor, as was the AAP


My wife is no longer a member of the AAP because of their liberal hypocritical bullshit



quote:
Originally posted by darthfuster:
Where was the AMA on the ACA?



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October 15, 2017, 12:11 PM
mbinky
A doctor asks a bullshit question, he gets a bullshit answer.

Doc: (staring intently at his clipboard) "So, do we have any firearms in the home?"

Me: "I'm wearing a thong".

Doc: "Excuse me?"

Me: "I think I put it on backwards. It's a little tight."

Doc: "Your thong?"

Me: "Well ok, but run your hands under warm water first. I hate cold hands."
October 15, 2017, 12:11 PM
darthfuster
quote:
Originally posted by Kevbo:
No doubt squarely in favor, as was the AAP


My wife is no longer a member of the AAP because of their liberal hypocritical bullshit



quote:
Originally posted by darthfuster:
Where was the AMA on the ACA?

So we see the AMA is politically compromised.



You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
October 15, 2017, 12:13 PM
nhtagmember
doctors can look at whatever they want - we can figure out how to bury them financially and drive them out of business - if they're that stupid about this, do you really want to trust them as a 'doctor'

the AMA has never been interested in the truth - just dues



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October 15, 2017, 12:14 PM
46and2
quote:
Originally posted by mbinky:
A doctor asks a bullshit question, he gets a bullshit answer.

Doc: (staring intently at his clipboard) "So, do we have any firearms in the home?"

Me: "I'm wearing a thong".

Doc: "Excuse me?"

Me: "I think I put it on backwards. It's a little tight."

Doc: "Your thong?"

Me: "Well ok, but run your hands under warm water first. I hate cold hands."

Smile
October 15, 2017, 12:16 PM
Elk Hunter
quote:
Originally posted by ensigmatic:
quote:
Originally posted by Sigmund:
The www site has a link to the complete article, which is probably complete crap.

"Probably?" Guaranteed, with crap like this:

quote:
Originally posted by Sigmund:
... in keeping with the tradition of JAMA and other research journals, Bauchner and his co-authors preempted such claims not with heated rhetoric but with with footnotes to studies that support their argument.

One of the earliest studies they cited showed that, in Washington’s King County, 54% of all 743 firearms-related deaths that occurred between 1978 and 1983 took place in the home where the gun had been kept.

That would almost certainly be Dr. Arthur Kellerman's thoroughly discredited "masterpiece." Thoroughly discredited, yet JAMA doctors keep trotting it out repeatedly.

Guess they figure a lie repeated often enough will eventually be believed. Though it seems, in this case, it won't. It seems Americans aren't as stupid as Kellerman and his colleagues believe them to be.

quote:
Originally posted by Sigmund:
What’s more, among the fatalities that involved a firearm kept in the home, accidental deaths were 30% more common than self-protection homicides.

Note the not-so-subtle "reasoning." Accidental deaths vs. self-defence homicides. So self-defence uses that did not result in the death of the attacker didn't count?

Right.

quote:
Originally posted by Sigmund:
Suicides involving firearms were 37 times more common than self-protection homicides.

An oft-regurgitated and just as frequently discredited statistic. Every study ever done has found no correspondence between suicides and firearms ownership.

quote:
Originally posted by Sigmund:
A more recent study published this year in JAMA Internal Medicine found that Florida’s adoption of a “stand your ground” law, which broadened homeowners’ right to use lethal force in self-defense, was linked to an “abrupt and sustained increase” in homicides by firearm.

Homicides involving the death of perpetrators of crimes, right?

Cry me a river.

quote:
Originally posted by Sigmund:
“What would happen if on one day more than 50 people died and over 10 times that many were harmed by an infectious disease in the United States?” they asked.

If they were people who provoked it in response to committing criminal acts I would think it a good thing.

quote:
Originally posted by Sigmund:
The journal editors called on their fellow doctors to ask their patients about their ownership of guns, ...

If my doctor asks me about that I'll give him one opportunity to reconsider, after which failing to do so he will become my ex-doctor.

Immediately.


I have no problems with my doctor. I am always armed when I go there. The staff just smiles when they see it during various procedures, like EKG, etc.

I asked about it once, and their response was that they are used to seeing it because they have LOTS of cops coming there for treatment.

AMA has been controlled by libtards for many years and they are just trying to make hay because of that tragedy in Las Vegas.

They trot out those phony numbers every so often, trying to prove their point, or better said to convince the uninformed (snowflake?) portion of our society that it would all get better if we would just turn in our guns and consent to be good little serfs.


Elk

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October 15, 2017, 12:20 PM
ChuckFinley
The AMA represents somewhere south of 20% of physicians. They haven't reported percentage as members in 5 years.

JAMA is junk mail. Physicians who haven't paid as members in many years still receive it so that they don't lose their postal status. Then put it in the trash.




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October 15, 2017, 12:39 PM
bigdeal
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
The AMA represents somewhere south of 20% of physicians.
This is what the two docs I know remind me when I ask them about such 'studies'. I believe this is more of the loud minority, with the help of a corrupt and complicit media, attempting to speak for the entirety of the medical community.


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October 15, 2017, 12:44 PM
12131
quote:
Originally posted by Kevbo:
No doubt squarely in favor, as was the AAP


My wife is no longer a member of the AAP because of their liberal hypocritical bullshit



quote:
Originally posted by darthfuster:
Where was the AMA on the ACA?

Quit both many years ago.


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October 15, 2017, 01:01 PM
WaterburyBob
Not surprising - the AMA has been anti-gun for decades.



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October 15, 2017, 01:01 PM
Sgt Neutron

October 15, 2017, 01:41 PM
darthfuster
Remember all of those white lab coated docs in the rose garden during the ACA propaganda push? Yeah. They only lacked little note pads intently scribbling what Stampy Feet said to be a perfect reflection of the Norks.



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October 15, 2017, 01:42 PM
r0gue
Medical errors now third leading cause of death in United States

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.5c793da227c3




October 15, 2017, 01:44 PM
Z06
When I was 13 my best friend's dad took us duck hunting. It was the first time I had handled a gun, let alone went hunting. My own father had never owned or fired any firearm.

My friend's dad was a noted heart surgeon in Portland, OR. I believe he is rolling in his grave with all the BULLSHIT the AMA is spewing.

The good doctor also had the coolest dog EVER... Tracer; a black lab hunting-machine... and murderer without peer of garter snakes. Well actually he just played with them to death.


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October 15, 2017, 02:08 PM
Veeper
My brother and I argue about guns from time to time. He once said, “They’re designed to kill people, that’s their purpose.”

I said, “Yes. What’s your point?”

Guns kill people. Yes. What’s your point? Better the BG than me.




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October 15, 2017, 02:17 PM
erj_pilot
Dear AMA,





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